Where are you even getting fault from?
I thought the idea was to try to understand others, not blame anyone…
If you feel the need to defend what you write, okay; go ahead. Whatever.
Personally think I’ll stop posting now. I only came to the forums because I interested in seeing if they made any game improvements recently (IE: the optimization patch they planned), and I’m already tired of certain aspects of the community again.
Right, that’s why you decided to blame me for not understanding your poorly structured english, rather than to admit that you structured the sentence poorly. Do you actually read what you write?
Personally think I’ll stop posting now. I only came to the forums
because I interested in seeing if they made any game improvements
recently (IE: the optimization patch they planned), and I’m already
tired of certain aspects of the community again.
Yeah please in the future just check patches if you haven’t been playing the game, instead of jumping into discussion you only heard about on the forum. That’d be best for everybody.
At this point I’m very sad at the level of hypocrisy…
I’ve played the game atleast long enough to earn a statue in my name. That’s something, I guess. I suppose that means im not completely clueless.
At this point I’m very sad at the level of hypocrisy…
Rofl, you said the idea is for people to not blame, but to understand each other. Right after blaming me for not comprehending your poor English. Right after admitting that your English and spellings were poor.
And somehow i’m the hypocrite.
This is completely off topic but wow i’m honestly fascinated by how your brain works. I’m gonna assume you meant “irony” and not “hypocrisy” because that’s the only way it’d make sense even if it isn’t true.
I’ve played the game atleast long enough to earn a statue in my name. That’s something, I guess. I suppose that means im not completely clueless.
…
Hell I havent even played the game in a week, barely played it the two weeks before.
Yeah. Okay.
8 hours? You’re doing things very wrong.
Are you even using the market? Seriously, stop talking about Silver farming cause you clearly don’t know how to do it.
Silver farming is relative. People might be able to farm the same amount you farm in those 8 hours in 1/4 of the time while the value for TP is constant since it represents a hard currency in real life.
Bot farms can probably farm millions, a day with ease.
And I’m sorry to tell you but what you believe to be does not mean you can actually say like it’s a fact for everyone. You chose to play the game for entertainment, it’s your choice. If you want to spend time with your family just stop playing the game and do it. You won’t get fired from the game.
Perhaps it might hurt your ego a bit since people will probably pass you in-game.
Of course it has no evidence, stupid.
Aside from CCU numbers and amount of players that I see carrying over 5 tokens around… If we start to bring facts, you might refute as much as you like, but you’d also be left without an argument to discuss.
Because you are defending this based on an idea that in-game currency is equal to real life currency which is basically comparing Monopoly cash with real cash. Sure, you payed for the game and those Monopoly bills weren’t printed out of thin air and cute thoughts. But you can’t go around waving that fake cash telling people you are rich.
Would be just weird.
You: "I’m a very rich man and I want to buy a Ferrari!"
Salesman: "Oh, most certainly, how would you like to pay?"
You: “I have 5 million Silver on ToS. Should I add you on Steam?”
Please show me how to farm 1.5m in a hour, then i would agree with you, silver is worthless.
Because you are defending this based on an idea that in-game currency is equal to real life currency which is basically comparing Monopoly cash with real cash. Sure, you payed for the game and those Monopoly bills weren’t printed out of thin air and cute thoughts. But you can’t go around waving that fake cash telling people you are rich.
Yeah last time i checked people aren’t paying real money for monopoly cash, and people aren’t selling monopoly cash for real money on gold selling website.
Party Hats from runescape are worth hundreds of dollars even though it is fictional. Bitcoins aren’t even real, but i bet you have no idea what bitcoins are. Otherwise you wouldn’t be spouting this nonsense about “fictional” vs “real.”
You: "I’m a very rich man and I want to buy a Ferrari!"
Salesman: "Oh, most certainly, how would you like to pay?"
You: “I have 5 million Silver on ToS. Should I add you on Steam?”
How it would actually happen:
You: I’m a very rich man and i want to buy a ferrari!"
Salesman: "Oh, most certainly, how would you like to pay?"
You: “By credit card. See I sell Tos silver for a living. After acquiring a huge sum i deposited paypal cash into my bank account.”
Ofc, the idea that you can get rich via selling TOS silver is dumb, but saying TOS silver is the same as monopoly money is equally as dumb, and you aren’t exactly buying a ferrarri with the money you spent on TP.
Do you answer yourself much?
Do you think graphical designers, printers, computers… Do you think Hasbro runs on air?
This is completely out of the question here.
You’re basically talking about black market here you idiot. Technically it’s not legal to exchange Silver directly for Cash. And this has more to do with greedy people wanting to get more for less than the actual problem in question.
Oh wait, greedy people trying to get more for less!!
Like paying in Silver and getting back in TP like they actually earned that TP!!
You’re basically talking about black market here you idiot. Technically
it’s not legal to exchange Silver directly for Cash. And this has more
to do with greedy people wanting to get more for less than the actual
problem in question.
in-game currency is equal to real life currency which is basically comparing Monopoly cash with real cash
But if silver is worthless like monopoly money, how come i can’t buy monopoly money from black market?
Also:
educate yourself first please. Anything can be used as currency so long as people find value in trading them.
Educa… Dude.
Shut your dumb mouth.
Bit coins can be used to buy REAL ■■■■ in the REAL WORLD.
How 'bout YOU educate yourself?
Wake up from wonderland, Alice.
I’m done with you, you are pathetic. I am not wasting my time talking to a door.
Educa… Dude.
Shut your dumb mouth. Bit coins can be used to buy REAL ■■■■ in the REAL WORLD. How 'bout YOU educate yourself?
I can sell my 2m now to my tos friend or to a goldsller for 6 dollars. And i can buy real thing with real money.
Yea not legal, but i can do it.
Insult some more, honestly. it really helps your case.
Do you think graphical designers, printers, computers… Do you think Hasbro runs on air?
Right so people farming silver aren’t using real money because their PCs aren’t powered by electricity. Make sense.
Sure.
So 6 dollars = 8 hours worth of farming. From what I remember you said you make 30 bucks/hour on your work.
Do you really think Silver is worth the same as real life physical cash?
You just resolved this issue.
See? Pathetic. Are you offended by this? Awn…
Firstly 100 TP cost 5 dollars. I already make 30 dollars per hour so i would have no need to sell my silver to anyone for 6 dollars. And i wouldn’t do it because i farmed it by hand, in my free time.
That doesn’t change the fact that goldsellers are able to operate because they literally sell silver for real money and people are buying silver using real money, so the two currencies can be exchanged. The fact that this is possible means silver has real life monetary value. The same with any ingame currencies from any popular mmos.
A Thai baht is worth much less than australian dollars.
But it is still a valid currencies that can be traded.
Same with silver.
See? Pathetic. Are you offended by this? Awn…
Why would i be offended by stupid statements and someone who can’t spell “own” properly? I’m more offended by the other guy who at least can insult in a way that isn’t childish and blatantly obvious.
If that’s the case we might as well discuss this in my native language which is not English. So I can see how much of it would you get right. lol
This entire discussion of ours is pathetic for the record. It brings nothing to the table nor it justifies IMC’s compensation for Tokens purchased with Silver.
Therefore, you can have fun pretending this was actually meaningful and I’ll keep playing my game here, while listening to some good music.
Fruitless discussion is fruitless.
In the end, you were able to prove nothing. I still think free loaders shouldn’t be getting this compensation and you still think they should.
Don’t even pretend, If you didn’t care about it you wouldn’t waste 3 hours replying.
Don’t even pretend, If you didn’t care about it you wouldn’t waste 3 hours replying
I never said I didn’t care. I said i wasn’t offended. There’s a difference. What language do you speak? if it’s mandarin i can help you figure out the difference.
This entire discussion of ours is pathetic for the record. It brings
nothing to the table nor it justifies IMC’s compensation for Tokens
purchased with Silver.
But it does.
See, we’ve established that silver is not monopoly money and can be traded for real money and takes effort and time to obtain.
Therefore "Silver = Money = TP = Token = Silver "
These objects are completely interchangeable. As an result, the decision made by IMC makes complete sense:
“Player who sold their token for silver shouldn’t get compensated because token is now worth half as much in TP, and the player had sold it for twice as much.”
They made a profit. Not a fake profit like in monopoly where you bought properties from other players. A real profit where, given enough volume, said silver can be traded for real money, even if it might be illegal to do so, and accounts can be banned. Nothing will change the fact that silver is worth something, and isn’t like monopoly money as you claimed.
free loaders
You mean people who took their time to farm enough silver to buy token? Because you are belittling their effort while thinking only those who spent money deserved compensation, even though silver is not worthless and is the currency that those crying TP buyers traded their token for in the first place.
Please, shush.
I don’t want to discuss this anymore. I can’t think straight I haven’t slept yet.
I disagree with you in every aspect of this discussion.
We are not going to agree, accept it. People don’t have to agree with you every time they think you are wrong.
I’m sorry but I value my money, and I don’t think people should be getting free money as a compensation when they didn’t spent real life money, which I think it has actual value. I don’t think Silver has any real world value in a legit healthy environment, which would discard the existence of Bots.
You can’t speak my native language, that’s why you shouldn’t judge people for their grammar, specially on some word that is more of a sound than an actual word… I could have actually wanted to write “Awn”. You couldn’t probably even say “Hi how are you today?” in my native language without failing badly, imagine writing it down and discussing over some random thing on the internet for hours.
Yes I think that a real life job is more valuable than farming Silver.
Anyways, I really don’t care anymore. I just hate to see that number “1” on my Avatar when I Alt+Tab to browse.
Look, if you want to have the final word, go ahead post whatever next. I know most people on the internet like to have the final word about stuff cause they feel better about themselves when they do, they feel like they won the discussion, which is already dumb because a discussion should be the exchange of ideas and points of view.
Enjoy your day. I just don’t care anymore. lol I’m too tired and old for this ■■■■.
Since you don’t play anymore, I’ll give you an update. Even after IMC’s announcement, people are still selling tokens. From 700k a few days ago, it’s now down to 420k. Imagine if tokens were 99 apiece back then. The market would’ve had twice the amount of tokens, it would be twice as hard selling them. That’s the part where we keep saying, those who spent real money for tokens already got their money’s worth in terms of token to silver. They sold it for half the time and double the amount (I bet this is gonna be taken word for word instead of the idea behind it). The end user (aka buyer) is the one holding onto a depreciated asset, which is why he deserves to be compensated. Some people can just let this be an issue they don’t agree with and move on. I don’t expect that from you though, you quit and yet you’re still here in the forums. If you hate it so much, let it all go.
reward the bots not the people who actually invest in your game imc it will go smoothly
kill off your last bit of income
IMC should really just compensate everyone. We all had good intentions playing the game and spending irl money for tp is supporting the game ^^
When an item loses value the current holder is the one compensated, not the one who already received what he/she considered a fair price for it at the time of the trade.
This is pretty basic and it applies everywhere, you don’t compensate someone who already parted with an item in what they considered a fair deal at the time be it a car, a computer, food, or some virtual thing in a videogame. This saves an insane ammount of backpadeling for dozens of companies when compensation is required, ToS is no different.
Please read and inform yourself, can’t believe this basic crap took 178 posts to discuss.
Allow me to return that to you, as you seem to be in dire need of it.
The basic thing that truly applies everywhere is to compensate those that spend their money. In real life both original owner and new owner spend money.
In a game like this, only the original owner spend money.
I’ve logged into the game a few times this week.
Tokens on Fedimian are 700k. Up from 400k before the announcement.
This is gradeschool level reasoning.
Supply far exceeded demand, so there would not be many more tokens in the market to begin with. In addition to that, token prices had a minimum limit. A limit that only gradually decreased and is reset every server maintenance. Tokens are a one time (a month) purchase, with a unique use. Unique items have their value determined purely based on supply and demand (and in this game, limited by the market price limits).
As such it should be obvious to anyone that a half TP cost on tokens, wouldnt translate into half silver price on tokens.