My feels about TP compensation in an ugly comic

[Derrian]

The basic thing that truly applies everywhere is to compensate those that spend their money. In real life both original owner and new owner spend money.

In a game like this, only the original owner spend money.

Applies everywhere. Who’re you to dictate which one is the exception? How did that reply to anything I said?
Obviously IMC thinks otherwise.
Money = TP and silver.
If someone sold a token for TP, then they consider silver worth their real $, you can’t ignore that.

Let’s see the kind of backpadeling IMC would have to do according to you, since token = $ = silver - because the owner exchanged an item worth 9$ for silver, we can assume they agreed to such trade - here’s an example

Player A bought token from Player B.
Player B spent some of that money on goods from placer C (arde dagger), D (pots), E (repairs), F(buffs).
These players in turn spent some of that money in goods from other players.
Since IMC is reducing the value of the good by 50%, player A should get half his silver back and player B gets his extra TP.
How do we return the money spent on pots, do we deliver pots to A or take pots from B? how do we take the money from player D who has already spent it on something else?
How do we refund the arde dagger from C? let’s say that selleralready spent that money on atributes and pots, do we take an equivalent number of pots away and reduce his atributes?
Do we take the money that E earned from his repairs? what if he spent it on something else already?
Same thing for F, where do we stop backpadeling?

It’s pointless to try to backpadel to wherever that money went, you can either
a) Take people from other departments (fixing bugs, implementing ktos updates, customer support, maintenance, etc.) and assign them to this task, which will probably take months before it’s completely done.
Then deal with the crapstorm that will rise from the players who lost whatever they had already earned because it came from token money.
b) Build a simple algorithm that will look for token owners and provide 99tp for each one.

When ACER recalled defective laptops, did it only reimburse the seller or whoever had already bought it?
When volkswagen recalled defective cars, did it only reimburse sellers of used cars?
When nintendo recalled defective WII-U units, did it only reimburse the sellers of already-used consoles or the owners?
There is no situation where someone who willingly traded an item had a claim to it after the transaction is done on agreeable terms (players listed the item on market on their own will, therefore they agreed to the price), this goes agaisn’t basic free market rules.

Your logic is not shared by the market, feel free to remain in your buble though, reading this topic is enough to make anyone give up.

[regitank]

This is gradeschool level reasoning.

i guess you just take everything literally instead of understanding the idea behind statements.

As such it should be obvious to anyone that a half TP cost on tokens, wouldnt translate into half silver price on tokens.

In telsiai, tokens sold for as much as 800k after the announcement. Midway, imc introduced tp bundles. People bought them, and resold 198tp tokens for as low as 400k. That’s half the cost it used to be (disproving your statement even before 99tp cost) just days after imc introduced TP bundles. Imagine if the token cost was already at 99tp each. Yes there’s a floor limit of probably 350k, but there would be twice as many tokens listed at that price. Sellers would be waiting for someone to buy their tokens among hundreds of other tokens for the same price. Early token sellers didn’t have to deal with such a problem. They sold their tokens fast, at a price that they thought was fair. Unlike your theoretical examples, my “gradeschool level” reasoning is fact-based.

[Moonspring]

understanding the idea behind statements.

Your ‘statements’ can only be taken literally…

In telsiai,

In Klaipedia tokens that were 400k a few days ago are now 600k.

Unlike your theoretical examples, my “gradeschool level” reasoning is fact-based.

350k-400k-500k were the market limits (roughly). The limit starts at 500k, and lowers gradually over time (with -a lot- of sales), and is then reset each maintenance to 500k again.

According to you 198 TP tokens were sold at 400k. Pray tell me how 99 TP tokens could be sold for half that price (200k), since due to the market limit that would not have been possible.

Tokens were already sold at the lowest they could go. TP price had nothing to do with that.

On top of this, most tokens have been sold at the market minimum limit. The most notable exceptions being new servers (such as Varena) where they were priced higher initially.

Yes there’s a floor limit of probably 350k, but there would be twice as many tokens listed at that price.

Whether its 3 pages, or 6 pages; matters nothing if their price is all the same.

Your ‘‘facts’’ dont actually support your statement, you know?

[Peperochau]

A very creative way to show ur feels Yinglifox.

The most ugly thing here is the ppl that is trying to derail Yinglifox topic to show how super smart they are comparing a game economy with real life economy, lol i wonder if they even get the point… but they just annoying trolls anyway so whatever.

[Derrian]

^ Same rules of economy apply everywhere, it’s not derailing it, IMC’s product is not a magic “exception” to every rule out there, the virtual goods sold in it are not special in any way when it comes to basic market rules.

Please read and inform yourself before talking, ty.

[Peperochau]

You understand the game economy can be manipulated in ways real economy cant because the game is a controlled artificial environment right? So how can u say is the same than real life economy, unless u think we all live in Matrix?

Yes u and ppl like u are derailng this topic because this topic is not about real economy is about the big F**K U IMC give to the ppl who bought with real money. Your knowledge about economy is completely offtopic and uninteresting.

PS Probably u dint get it but the point of my post was calling u and ppl like u ugly dumbasses but u too dumb to get it, my intention was never argue about something sooooo insipid as economy… so with that last words of love im finished here, noone asked for ur opinion about real economy dumbass.

[Derrian]

The fact that the game economy depends on the decisions made by one company (IMC) instead of other public institutions (goverments, stock market, etc.) doesn’t change the fact that when one willingly trades an item one loses any claim to a compensation.
Again, please read and inform yourself before talking, knowledge is never irrelevant, your lack of arguments is more than enough proof of that.
You lack arguments so you have to attack the ones who don’t agree with you, classic. You complain about derailing but your post is just a bunch of insults directed at those who don’t agree with you, the irony.

[Efner]

@Yinglifox

Something related, the new TP hats on kTOS are tradeable. So people can buy it with silvers from people that bought them with TP

[regitank]

In Klaipedia tokens that were 400k a few days ago are now 600k.

This happened because imc stopped selling tp for a few days. Supply and demand is so elementary yet you don’t get it. As tp started rolling out again, wait a few days for the market to become saturated.

Your ‘statements’ can only be taken literally…

selective reading. only shows how close minded you are. thanks for proving my point.

Whether its 3 pages, or 6 pages; matters nothing if their price is all the same.

do you read your posts after completing them? it does matter, because that means tokens on page 1 are sold before tokens on page 6. It’s hit and miss if someone buys your token or someone else’s.

Just quit the game already. lol