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META DPS Archer at the moment?

i saw 2 top dps buils

archer 2 ranger 3 appaiser musket 3
archer2 ranger 3 fletcher 2 merge 2

any other builld with more dps of these 2 builds ? appraiser now its just like a pvp debuffer? or it still adding a nice damage to criticals on boses like velcoff ?

I think the 2nd one looks more like: Ar1-Ranger3-Fletcher3-Merg2.

Ar2-Ran3-Falc3-Merg is also really doing well. I am more than happy to have completely replaced QS3 for Ranger3 as no matter how awesome Running Shot is, it just will not be able to compete with what 3 circles of the buffed Ranger class anymore.

Also probably any musketeer with Wugushi, although this I am not sure about personally…

but why ranger instead archer 2 or 3 with musketer/musket ? the critical cap its more easy to reach these days ? and merge and musket used these class only for their debuffs? like critical shot + blinside + steady aim?

PD: im comfused becaus time ago the meta was like archer 2-3 + rogue or apraiser just for the critical

Archer 2 offers a really good +150 crit rate, Archer 3 doesn’t really offer much aside from better kneeling shot. Since we got 10 circles to try and squeeze in everything, sometimes we can’t have both worlds and have to give up something for another better option…

Ranger’s Critical Shot is not a debuff but a buff to you that makes your critical attack +50% more. It is not additive but miltiplicative (based on my experience)

So yeah Ranger with atleast 1 circle now will be really strong for any archer builds I believe.

Edit: also you might be confusing swift step’s crit rate and rogue’s sneaky hit with Critical Shot’s buff. Based on my testing, say I hit a mob with Crit Shot skill (which will always crit anyway) with 80k damage, at 5 stacks my Critical Shot skill will skyrocket to 120k on crit. So take this consideration when you hit your biggest skills with high damage multipliers, then you crit while having 5 stacks of Critical Shot buff (again, it is not a debuff)

You can’t go 80k to 150-160k. It’s a straight +50% so 120k at most.

The main dmg source of the qs/falco is AA. I don’t see how you ranger3 build does anything better. Ranger3 is a huge boost for Fletcher3/Mergen2. All you boost with Ranger in a Falco/Mergen build is Mergen1.

There is no way you outdps a QS3/Falco3/Mergen1. Not even close!

i dont know so much about the actual formula of Physical+ critical damage but on the last rewors all the new buffes 50% was critical bonus damage

y try the musket and i only stack the bonus from critical shot ( 50%) plus blind side (25%) more damage and snipe (50%) more damage

the old critical base damage was 1.5 so total damage = 1.51.51.25*1.5 of a normal attk thats 4.22 times a normal atk plus the critical damage bonus. its a lot more than runing shot

But you know that normal attacks can crit too?
That RS inflicting 2 consecutive hits and atk. speed affects AA of a QS way more than Rangers Crit shot spam.

Let’s not talk about “kneeling shot” since the 3 points above are allready enough.

Drop archer2, pick up fletcher 3.

Consult Bernice’s. QS does not even hold a candle to ranger in any way, and on pretty much all servers, ranger3 fletcher3 mergen2 is the top.

Falc3 Mergen 1 was a really good flavor of the month, but that month is over.

U can’t go Fletcher3-mergen2+Falco 3. l2r

I like that you are telling me to l2r when you are incapable of reading yourself, or at least parsing sentences in English. Those are 2 completely different sentences with 2 completely different thoughts.

I am talking about the actual meta build. You are talking about nonsense.

The main dmg source of the qs/falco is AA. I don’t see how you ranger3 build does anything better. Ranger3 is a huge boost for Fletcher3/Mergen2. All you boost with Ranger in a Falco/Mergen build is Mergen1.

There is no way you outdps a QS3/Falco3/Mergen1. Not even close!

Because you still think AA builds are good. You’re wrong though.

It’s already the case now. Again, objectively so.

@Hazuni meta build mean what class are used more to build an archer not who is strongest, meta archer was full critical rate like archer 2-3 plus some like apraiser and roge 1 jusr for a base critical chance.

now the meta its ranger just because its give a lot of damage bonus even without bow skills, or thats what I saw on the last balance. you can try QS3 and ranger3 thats not bad at all but the kind of build its diferent. AA builds are a kind of constant DPS build but others like fletcher+ merge or ranger musketer are high burst DPS kind.

I chose musketer to try because its a kind of both with the new skills thats allows you to do more damage with AA and now looks like the criticals damages bonus scales betweent them make it more exponential and giving tons of damage
testing the damage I get like 30k per AA critical with only 4k physical attk and 2k of critical damage I dont know if thats mean that my AA are dealing 500% due the critical bonuses. because I dont know how actually works the damage formula for criticals.

I think the others have spoken so yeah you are informed.

AA dps builds are still viable but not the best dps anymore, except for single target bossing which maybe what you have in mind that’s why you are arguing your point. But again, no. Qs3 now cannot compete with Ranger3 and tht is the fact.

When you have end game gear +20 - +30 bow and maxed attributes, that +22.5% is significant even if it only does affect, say, Mergen in my build as this is my preferred gamestyle. To maximize it, get Fletcher3 then. Any AA build no matter how whale you are won’t come close to another whale with more AoE dps capabilities.

Ahem, the person above was comparing qs3 falco mergen to ranger3 falco mergen. Not to ranger3 fletcher mergen.

Also, “flavor of the month” my ***, you guys should learn to appreciate the “scope” of a build. A falco mergen has a completely different function than a fletcher mergen.

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but here we talk about the base meta of the archer these days that is ranger3 + other things. defend an old meta build have not point here even if it was a nice one

I like falco3 to but the hard damage of that build comes from the “ricochet” effect of the falco debuffs, now its just a support thing for elememes and some swordy builds

…spotted the non falconer player… I’m sorry, but it really has great damage thanks to the combination between its damaging and supportive skills (they sustain one another). If you never mained one, though, you wouldn’t know.

Again, guys, stop discussing “meta” and “non meta”. Start reasoning in terms of team composition. This kind of silly reasoning almost made chronomancers disappear, and god knows how useful they are, even after the rework.

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Never denied the superiority of rfm. It’s that ditching a class just because it isn’t the strongest is just bad, when it still has good damage and support on top of that, that’s it.

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Thats actually whats mean “meta” on every game
On a mmorpg meta builds plus “Best in slot” items makes a perfect kind character. Its Just about number and mats. Not what its more funny or balanced