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Lvl170 - 2H vs. Xbow + Mana-mana - Current BIS

Hi guys, should i switch to plate equipment when i reach lvl 200?
I’m A3-R3-F2 btw

do you guys settle for rank 5 green gem or go for gems with more stars?

also i don’t get manamana being the current BIS for SR skills. Don’t SR skills have multipliers that take offhand stat into account? How does the flat elemental damage from manamana make it better?

I think its because crit is only +50%

so since mana gives 64base + 278lightning
your gonna need a gun that’s at least 225base+ and would beat manamana only on crits, and even if one existed, the value of the crit rate and movement speed shouldn’t be underestimated

Critical damage is added flatly to your critical. As for critical damage I think it’s like 150% from the non-crit damage.

Example: you hit a 1000 damage with critical hit. What khasti bow does is add 144 to that crit so it will become 1144.

Notes: Correct me if I’m wrong guys.

that would mostly be true for off-hand normal attacks. but what about skills with multipliers?

e.g. something like: (offhand raw attack stat)*n% = damage output of the skill that uses offhand attack stat like retreat shot.

wouldn’t a pistol with higher attack stat be better than manamana that adds flat elemental damage to the final damage output?

how can i know percent of my crit?

depends on your survivability, lvl50 plate mastery = 1,700 HP and the bonus def.

I have 5 star gems on my crossbow and lvl6 gems on my mana-mana. now creating lvl7 for mana-mana.

I am not very familiar with formula as I depend on simple math computation, like this:

regarding other weapon, by simple math. let’s say
Hand Gun 182 + 1 lvl SR skills (the best other than mana-mana as it gives +1 lvl SR skills)
+1 lvl RS = +97 damage
so 182 base + 97 +1lvl = 279 damage from gun

lvl10 RS - with Hand Gun
Normal = 1188 + 279 = 1467
When crit = 1467*150% = 2200

Lvl10 RS - with Mana-mana
Normal = 1188 + 64 + 278 = 1530
When crit = (1188+64)*150% = 1878 + 278 = 2156

and you lose +35 crit rate and +1 movement speed

not sure what other BIS pistol you think about, but IMO, mana-mana is fcking OP off-hand archers and I never seen anyone high level using other pistol than mana-mana.

they also say its like this, but I feel stronger wearing my Crit Damage headgears. its like 400~600 increase, that’s why I always keep them (only total of +170 critical damage)

Yes, Superior Wreech bow is stronger than Khasti provided your crit chance is less than 60%. but take note that gem slot for Wreech bow is only 2 while 3 on Khasti.

I suggest over ups Khasti/Maga bow is the BIS for 2Hand bow, depends on your crit rate. but I’d personally choose Maga bow :wink: if I have super silvers to fund it, but practically I am still keeping Khasti bow

(Critical Rate - Target’s Critical Defense) * 42 / Character Level.

You can get your target’s CDef from whatever database site people use at the moment.

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so retreat shot attacks are just normal attacks? don’t SR skills have skill multipliers?

Does anyone know if upgrading cannon to +5 will be necessary to remove any penalty? thanks in advance.

thanks sir,

after i calculate, to normal monster i can get 55-70% most of them i get 65% and for boss i get aroud 45-50% with this critical %, is it true that best choice for me to use is DGC or SKC+ briquet?

^This, I recently got bored and decided to make an 2H bow b/c a lot of what I farm atm is flying, so I picked up an maga bow recipe and crafted one. As I began to anvil it, it quickly jumped to 400k, 450k, 500k etc etc I took it to +10 and my anvils atm are about 750k per attempt. Then I got more sticker shock when I began to add my sockets, my 3rd socket alone cost over 600k, 2nd was 300k or so iirc. Then came the x3 tier6 green crit gems…before I knew it I had about 15million or more into the damn thing.

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If you can hit 50% consistently, then the difference between DGC and SKC+B is only 6 damage.

If I +5 mana mana would the upgrade increase my fletcher skills’ damage even a little?

no you only have to upgrade your pistol if your an SR, their SR skills scale off offhand dmg, otherwise you can leave it 0

how about SKC without briquet is it good enough for now before i have DGC? how about the +++ should i +++ it to 10 or 5 is good if i plan to change to DGC?, after i ask around in the server i play no alchemist have briq lv 10 or 11, if SKC without briqt is not good enough and DGC just waste of money because i only have that crit % what weapon i use so i can have good damage with crit 50%

The damage difference between the two is marginal at best honestly. You’re not going to go from being rubbish to being amazing just by switching weapons.

Pick whatever you want, or rather whatever you can reasonably get and afford.

Are there any new weapons besides light gorithos and didel kracked shooter?

I will be leaving TOS community.

So anyone who would continue and provide information for best in slot bow/crossbow please free to continue the discussion here or use it as old reference :wink:

Thank you TOS Community! :grinning:

Signing off,
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Good bye :tired_face:

Thank you for all your contribution. This thread has been very helpful to me.