yes sato that is possible. i also hinted to this… its rather difficult to tell if the kid is actually away from the keyboard or Joystick or right there not responding to you and just wigging out while they watch “the bachelor”.
@treefosavior a script can do a ■■■■ load of button presses very fast… and constantly repeating… he script is more spam than what i wrote that was a reasonable script… his is full of just spam and on a quick repeat, that is what your seeing… that is it.
If there is a wipe, the game dies. This is true for almost any MMO.
We aren’t in full Open-Beta, dude…the population is literally 1/3-1/6 of what it will become at the end of the month. A wipe now will do nothing but make newcomers or people on the fence about even starting feel like they playing field was leveled to make it more fair for them.
…but if they wipe a month from now, well…heh.
Yeah but the game loses most of its paying customers. F2P MMOs need their whales man.
…Then again the bigger whales will probably pay someone else to level their characters up, so not entirely dead I guess.
Sadly enough im the one /facepalming myself, not because of what you think. I play with a gamepad and those stutter movements are not happening. You can either try it yourself on an archer or just sit down on any toon and attempt to imitate that with the joystick ( it wont happen). The joystick makes movements fluid, that choppy movements look exactly like those jdkfdjfkd bots.
I could do that with a keyboard or mouse macro, and neither of those is really a bot unless I walk away from the keyboard (and UTTERLY undetectable by any anti-cheat, as they would have to ban gaming keyboards and mice in order to stop it. 
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I had to bind CTRL+1 to one of my GKeys because using WASD while under attack and trying to pot is awkward when you have to swivel your pinkie onto CTRL and move your index finger to 1 or 2 while using your ring and middle finger to A W or A S around…
This is why every single MMO give ammo to ranged classes with strong auto atk passives
we aren’t in ANY kind of Beta at all, dude.
this is release. NA’s OBT was scrapped.
try to catch up.
there isn’t going to be a wipe now, nor in a month.
even if some exploit completely trashed the entire economy everywhere, they’d just roll back a few days, and patch it.
Now im oddly confused here, is it that exactly what botting is. A program runs a script that plays your character. If you write a script and macro it to a key and keep the key pressed =/= Z-holding anymore (That definitely does not qualify as the gray “Z-AFK”).
I dont think that is what is happening there though with that archer.
the first part, he was referring to it possibly being someone playing with a joystick.
the 2nd part, he was referring back to an example of a script idea he suggested earlier.
Hmm, so… I have to say there is a lot of whiteknighting the gray area going on. At what point is all this nonsense plain cheating. Whether anti-cheat programs can figure out or not.
Even though i dont care much for the Z-holding. Being able to keep your computer on with your character farming/killing 24/7 is not different than a program ran bot.
On topic:
From the start what looks like a bot is not the obv hold the Z, lol, afk. Is the way she moves, It does not look like that when you try to imitate it with a joystick ( what part of i use a joystick to move dont you get). Using a joystick does not cause stutter even when you are using autos (go try it on an level 1 archer, i did). That one second stutter when there no mobs to target is what looks to be outside the gray room. That is my observation has nothing to do with being techky or super computer savvy. It looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is a duck not a pig,
That pretty much what we are saying, that person is not at the computer. That the one part obviously that nobody can prove. Then again who plays like that while sitting in a computer chair looking at a screen. No matter what activity you do while using the legit Z-HOLD or this questionable thing, you are AFK (unless you do everything on the computer chair including bios).
Notice how the section after, for Release Candidate states:
This game will be in continue development for the next X years, with added functionality, features, and gameplay content…it cannot be considered a final product if the engine will be modified, content tweaked, added, REMOVED, etc…
A VERY RECENT example of a final product for RELEASE (In-box, in-stores, only DLC story addons in the future (with the exception of modding, which will use exposed functions): Grim Dawn . It is DONE. It left it’s CBT (Greenlight) and OBT and it’s just another game.
So, no, YOU catch up, I’ve been playing shitty “Closed” beta/“Open” beta games since AOL was still the top search engine. Just because they claim it’s a release doesn’t mean diddly.
And I already said there wasn’t going to be a wipe, with the stipulation that if there was that they would do it NOW and not LATER when more people were playing…learn to ■■■■■■■ read.
pre-alpha: korea
alpha: korea
beta, closed: korea, international
beta, open: korea
–international open beta scrapped.
release: korea, international.
it’s not like developers are -required- to hold open beta, or even closed beta… or even do any testing at all (but good luck if you try that).
that entire wikipedia article is just a description of common practices among developers.
those are simply the common stages. it’s up to the developer, not you, to decide what their state of development or release is.
now as to whether they -should- have declared it as released or not, that is an entirely different topic, and up for much debate, but regardless of that debate, the game is declared released.
well no sh*t, it’s an MMO. if they don’t keep developing new stuff to do, then the players will finish it all, and most of them will get bored and leave.
what, are you gonna claim WoW and RO are still in beta, too?
even Ultima Online, the 20 year old grand-daddy of modern mmorpg, still gets updates and new development work.
you know what, you should go tell Square Enix that because you know so much and can link wikipedia articles, you’re declaring FF14 to still be in beta.
unless you’re referring to posts in some other thread, then no, in fact you said no such thing.
you said a wipe now would make newcomers feel like they started on a balanced playing field, and a wipe a month from now would be… vague chuckles.
neither of those suggest specifically that you think a wipe is or is not coming, although the comments relating to a wipe at this point seem to imply that you recommend it as a good idea.
You can fight it all you want kid, there is a clear difference between a complete and fully released product and one that is “complete” except for the things that are still broken and need to be fixed because they missed them during the closed portion of the testing cycle, and only called a full release for the same of calling it one…
Next you’ll be calling Overwatch a released title when it’s purchasable…oh wait, it already is, and Blizzard is STILL calling it a Closed Beta…but I thought the moment you could purchase it is was a full release?
And as for Ultima and its content updates and freshening, is that code in it’s core being redone to prevent it from falling into disarray? To prevent it from being utterly exploited? NO IT’S NOT…it’s tweaks and addons. The game is done…anything else is to keep the marginal population on it’s servers, not to keep it from breaking/being broken…
@treefosavior I have 1 very major problem with how you define macros and cheating…
have you ever asked yourself how a keyboard works? its all about input…
when i hit this key it brings up this “letter”… this “input” that your keyboard has said it should bring up… to you that is standard… and you accepted it as “OK”… but thats just a simple macro… thats it… just another macro script in the world of scripts.
this is why the grey area you think you see is actually much larger… input …
how far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? how far can you go before you turn around? how far is too far? you just now found the rabbit hole… most gamers knew of the holes existence and stopped caring about legit play before y2k… gaming is and always will be about player vs player… its always about how can i acheive what i want at the pace i want to go at for my personal gains… im not playing vs bots… im playing vs all of you also playing… where do i feel comfortable standing? is it just the 2 hours i get per night? is it the 17 hours per day lord stanokav guy plays? is it worth giving up your friends texting you asking you to go out? is it worth your relationship with some vaj you get every few days who is a complete b to you otherwise? is it worth that A-C in chemistry? how do you rate this? and you think because you rate your experience a certain way other ppl hold that standard?
since the dawn the internet, every online game has tried to combat the cheating or combat the advantage that everyday players find… a whole lot of games find really dumb and really obscure ways of stopping it… a lot of games just live with it… a whole other group of games just act like it doesnt exist never acknoledge it and just have to keep updating and loving the game they are making with the problems they have… some games completely get rid of the fact that is still exists but you and I dont know about it and are unaware of it…
the hacking/botting will forever continue just as similar as ddos attacks are a constant reminder that the internet is a crazy world. this is where tos fails… they build their game with a certain set of coding abilities… because of how this game is built. the hacking wont stop… they literally will have to hire and pay people to ban and monitor hacking here completely because of what they build this game with (coding). That being said, I dont mind because I like how this game functions.
as an archer since icbt myself. this is exactly what happen to me when im using joystick and kneeling shot.
here the proof, this is me playing with joystick (spinning left analog) while kneeling shot. exactly as in your video. note : glitchy moves.
if i went around trying to call Overwatch a “release” game, that would be the same as you going around calling ToS a “beta” game. my point was that it’s up to the company to decide/ declare what the state of release is.
like i also said, whether they -should- have declared it released is an entirely different topic. the community demanded it right away, without giving them the time to polish and tweak it, so the community got it, unpolished and untweaked.
It looks like another case of “JAMMED Z” + “JAMMED ARROW” lol.
Read the Terms of Use. Anything that does not involve a 3rd party software is not botting. That’s an afk zombie that fits in the gray area. No grounds for ban.