That the one part obviously that nobody can prove.
this is the problem with your report and this thread. you DONT even know if he is there or afk. what if hes getting ban without doing anything wrong?
Then again who plays like that while sitting in a computer chair looking at a screen.
as an autoattack build, this is what i do. 90% of my time doing this while grinding. your argument is invalid.
âŚi run around and click the hell out of everything, after gathering up a bit of a crowd. it seems like just sitting still would be so much less effective?
then again, if youâre not actually required to be at the computer, it certainly frees up your time.
(i -know- spam-clicking doesnât actually help me, but so many other games for so many years, itâs hard not to.)
iâm gonna go actually read that ToS for ToS.
everyone have they own playstyle, buffing running shot then kneeling shot seems the best to me. i can do this all day long.
especially at low level map/low hp mobs, kneeling shot alone is enough.
If that is not the same as botting, why are bots so hated?
I mean those players(the bots) are not manually playing right?
thereâs a difference in scale between taping your Z key down and walking away, hoping that mobs walk in front of you regularlyâŚ
vs a bot that can run all across the map, hunting mobs down, looting things, etc⌠even stealing rare spawns.
I do understand what you are talking about, even though i dont think it really follows what we are talking about. Following your logic you can only go as far into the rabbit hole as the dev allow you too. Regardless of how you explain her/him being able to to do that, if they decide it look like foul play that person gets the punish, and everyone else moves on. Pretty much what you said about games dealing with it in different ways.
In other words i get what you are trying to say about how a keyboard, macros and other tech stuff work. Following that people with enough knowledge of computers will always make ways to work around the system.
My point is, how is that different from a 3 party ran bot (not the obv tech stuff). A gold-sellers bot is ran by a program that makes him basically go around in an area killing everything while there is no active operator(player).
A person using a scripted ran bot(toon), which can be ran w.o them physically touching the keyboard, you can drop a rock on the key for all we know, basically kills in an area everything while there is no active operator(player).
Now tell me how a logical person will punish one and not the other on bases that one is ran by a computer program, while the other is just ran by a rock.
Dude you really see that as a copy of that persons actions, your slow timed attacks(i assume you are doing ur own version of the z-hold spam you are defending) cant compare to her/him speedy im crack movements.
the difference is using some said script/program while being present, in some form or another and just being afk⌠hence the part where i said he may infact be present, just not manually pressing the keys himself. the automated features arent the problem, its just doing it while your afk. its very hard to catch someone botting if they respond to you⌠hackguards xfire gameguard whatever those anti hack programs are usually stop basic macro programs/features⌠but thats about it.
That why i was saying, they should be punished on the grounds that there no way he is going to poop at his computer (lol, southpark). At the moment he gets up is gg. Obviously is up to the developers if they want to use that as their excuse to wipe the gray area all together, as the player has no way to prove he was actually there. I never bothered with the normal in place Z-botting, but archers classes should be an exception.
TLDR: In the same way there no way to prove he is afk, the person has no way to prove he wasnt. I would just dish out ban hammer, but is up to what the developers believe to be to much.
that doesnt work⌠you can prove he is there by directly speaking with him
he doesnt have to respond to you⌠but if an imc is present and asks him to respond and he doesnt. well then hammers can be flying⌠until then there is nothing imc or you can do
Not a bot in any case, just possibly an AFK farmer with either macro or joystick as someone pointed out. So you kinda of misused âreport botâ function in this case. But I agree that AFK farming is almost as unfair as bots and should not be allowed. Though sadly it is allowed, so yea.
How can i know if he is botting or using the z macro to afk-farm?
I dont think i misused the âreport a botâ at all. As a player i have zero way of finding out the difference between a z-hold afk farmers and a bot. That is why this was a discussed topic before the âreport a botâ was implemented. Players have no way to know who is just z-afking, even after all this discussion we are all assuming he is doing this or that. There no way to prove he is doing one or the other.
How im i proving anything by speaking to him? If the person answers he is not afk-farming. If he doesnât which i agree the person does not have to, i will just assume him to be a bot. Is not like players are out to test other players behavior and decided which one fall on the gray area and which one doesnât. At that point like you said is up to IMC to check the cases.
@Sushifox the above is why a normal player cant never know if someone is a bot or z-bot, and they will all be reported. I can always fall back on the fact that to me he looks like a bot and no one cant dispute it since is my observation.
reports and bans are different stories all together.
you can prove he is not a by speaking with him. if he responds. he is just a little macro fucker. if he is a bot he wont respond to you⌠if he is afk while doing his little pos macro crap⌠then its banworthy⌠he doesnt have to respond to you!. YOU! not imc⌠YOU⌠you are not the authority⌠he has to respond to imc or he is banned⌠he can ignore you to his hearts content⌠because you dont matter at all
You do know that exactly what im saying, right?
No, sorry but thatâs not true. Just think about it logically - bot can be programmed to do ANYTHING, use skills, rest at campfire when his SP is low, bring loot back to sell at the town and then go back to farming spot, even switch channel if current channel is too crowded⌠ANYTHING.
So at the very least heâd be moving around that spot to collect all the loot and silver because otherwise itâs a waste of resources. Bots are being used to lvl up (for farming higher level maps later) and earn silver at the same time. They take as much as they can out of each account cause itâll get banned eventually.
When youâre playing MMO games for past 19 years like I do, trust me youâll have enough experience to easily see who is bot and who isnât. By the way they move and a lot of other signs in their behavior.
âŚunless itâs simply a really -crappy- bot, like one run by a player instead of a company.
lazy, entitled players are known to run bots to level themselves, instead of actually doing the work.
yes, fancy bots can do basically anything a player can, and more.
cheap crappy bots? it could be as simple as âfind target, shoot target until dead; loop.â
we canât prove if itâs just someone holding down the attack button while mashing the D-Pad in circles, or a dumb bot, or a very fancy bot that simply wasnât given any time to show off in a 20 second clip. iâm sure everyone has their opinion on what they think it probably is, but we canât prove it.
and itâs not our job anyway. âreport botâ just means âhey, this character appears to be acting suspiciously, please investigate.â