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But Long Fly the Kim is a requiem…

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Yes, they are a big thing overthere… weird change

How the hell? The tal rasha frags are untradable… Another exploit?

solo dg voucher from leticia cube :distinguished:

Whales have been buying those Shining Sole Hunt vouchers/tickets reset for 40-50m each in my server. It’s possible and doable if you’re a whale. The Cube is the exploit. hahaha

I think that was a joke.

Everyone at some point has spent money on this game especially if you have that many hours invested.

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The commodity of TIME VS MONEY principle. F2P players have plenty of time to burn but don’t want to invest in a game or don’t have enough money to be like the Whales VS P2W players who have plenty of money to spend mindlessly but don’t have enough time to farm/grind in-game currency so they spend real money to speed up the character progression and whatnot or you can be at the middle kind of player who has some of the time and money to spend in a game.

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I think this “time vs money” principle is a garbage design. The only reason whales feel pressured to spend money is because the developers of the game have created that ecosystem to profit from it; the same goes for a f2p player to turn the game into a full time job to catch in comparison until they themself break under that same pressure and either spend to catch up or quit altogether.

It is a crippling design that has only succeeded in mobile gacha games up until now (only the good ones that have brand recognition and haven’t shut down yet), so it being shoehorned into ToS like this over the years will always yield worst results, then a tighter grip on the communities neck, and the cycle repeats until whales feel like they are being milked and f2p feel like they are slaving away endlessly.

f2p players will be a lot more obliged to spend money and invest in a game if the game itself treats their time and experience with respect and dignity over pain and malicious intent. There are plenty of successful f2p games that have lived on by doing just that.

From my own personal experience, I dolphined in Genshin impact because I really wanted to get a 6 constellation Venti. I didn’t feel pressured to do it, and I am actually a little behind in the game then a friend that didn’t spend anything and has only QiQi as a 5*. even though be both play casually, as long as we both play it doesn’t seem like there is any predatory walls between what a f2p and a whale can do in any subject of play:
No crazy 1trillion dmg powercreep locked behind sacrificing your first born or rolling your life saving on the gacha
No time gating essential items behind 0.000000% drop rates with no alternatives.
No insane limited items or material that basically say if you dont spend for this, your chances of staying relevant are none.

And the thing is, I actually wouldn’t have a problem with ToS, even when it has all of these predatory p2w features because aslong as I get to play with my friends in a small/large guild and enjoy endgame content we would still have fun and we would even spend money to invest so we can keep at it… but the bugs they refuse to fix on top of all of that turns it from an honest game to a scam.

I apologize for the long read, grammar errors and any spelling mistakes
/end rant

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IMC says: 6 months to do Luciferir …

Cash says: HAHAHAHAAH

The game lost its balance a long time ago, it became a dirty p2w and there are still people who defend it saying that it is not p2w …

Ah, but you can make the item, right? So it’s not p2w!

It is in the small things that p2w is in this game, be it in the removal of free items to put exclusively in “boxes”, or in creating content to which you cannot sell the item in the game, but you have “how to buy” for money.

Well, you buy Cubod from Leticia and get 1 Vouche, you are buying the items for real money.

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My perspective its ok spend for what u like, dont be naive, IMC dev also need money to running,

So the ecosystem is already okay with bot destroyed, so if you want to play with earning money, sell silver to them and you can play win win solution, you go casual, they (whale) go hardcore,

Imc not stupid to detect RMT er, they know well how it works and done, because RMT er also this game donatur as well,

Win win solution, go casual become seller or enjoy the game, the other side is become top tier player,

For me, i just casual and enjoy the game,

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When one can tell the amount of F’s IMC gives to classes depending on their weapon skins … JK

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Funny you talk about other people being naive.
Even if they have enough money, if they think going P2W will earn them more money, they’ll do so.
It has nothing to do about sustainability. It’s just about earning as much as possible.
That’s it, until their short-term gains start undermining the long-time survival of the game…and most devs just don’t care about the latter. And here too, we keep seeing people quitting cause the competitive side is totally screwed, and more P2W than ever with those luciferi - where either you wait months to progress or conveniently buy the item to do so…

you not understand what i mean, there are 2 people,
1 enjoy the game and willing to spend real money in game, wether gacha or buy silver
2 the one not willing spend real money instead wanna sell money game to profit and enjoy the game

thats it, you can go casual but earning real money or hardcore but enjoy the game more with real money,

people leave usualy have personal real life reason or find another good game, cant expect tos for booming, this game only 500 player community, people come and go

I was replying on your “dont be naive, IMC dev also need money to running”.
Companies think about maximizing profit, not simply going on. How they do so it’s another issue entirely.
Cause in the end, it’s all due to how they structure the game. And they’re catering more and more to whales with every update. And when that happens to the expense of everybody else…

…then they should ask themselves why this game can’t retain players and new ones just quit after some days/weeks - if they didn’t know the answer already.

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So cute! WoooooooooooooW.
Vakarine and Jurate are my preferred goddesses :heart_eyes: :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:
Hope they make more weapons appearances, costumes, hair accessories etc with these themes :blue_heart: :white_heart:

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lol the last costume cubes came so well done and really creative I loved it.

pity that Jurate is one of the lesser-known goddesses in the game u.u.

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kTest Patch 11/24/20

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New Costumes

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Laima Wings

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Vakarine Doll

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Vakarine Hair Accessory

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Winter Rabbit Pet

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Seemingly no buff at the moment.

Weapon Skins

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Crossbow / Two Handed Sword / Two Handed Mace

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