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KToS General Thread v4.0

Looking at how IMC make the game, Savi will probably never be able to equip a random ichor without wiping all the current random stats that are in in all the savinose in the game, literally making it looks like a varna which no-no. And i also believe lifting the cap of these items are impossible as they are tied to the item levels. All guesses within the current implementation of codes tho. It WILL require some reworks to code structure to enable high rolls in savinose’s.

And knowing IMC i don’t think they are able and will even try to do that :tired:

Solution is simple , make Savi and VArna can upgrade in to New legend require X brykite , keep echanting and potential , no stats .

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I’m replacing a +16 weapon. If i replace it with a +11, i’m decreasing my attack just to increase some other stat. Then why bother doing it, i’m just replacing an issue with another. And unlike two-handed weapon classes or scouts, i don’t have other sources of physical attack. So it’s either having a good enhance on the main weapon or nothing.

Regarding the “buy it from market”, you’re free to point out the +16 varna rapiers sold in fedimian markets. Hint: there is none. Mostly because whoever does some +16 weapon usually does it for itself, not for selling. And if someone randomly drops a rapier…the market for rapiers is so small that taking the risk to enhance for selling is meaningless. Not that i’ve seen unenhanced rapiers sold either, anyway. The only one was the one i dropped myself before the news of the changes…and that i sold because i already had done that +16 savinose, back when they were equal. So, again, empty words.

Then again the blabbering about free equips. I don’t care about them. I have my own, i still use a velcoffer armor set along with that savinose weapon (was waiting for the ataka patch to use the varna set, i expected it to come before the episode 12, but it got bundled together; there was no reason to do a savinose, after all, damage wise, kraujas is better than the normal savinose set bonuses for a fencer, despite the drawback involved).
By the way, i can’t understand the part about “jumping the gun”. It would be a thing if a bothered trascending said dagger, but i didn’t, as i wrote before. I would have done a dagger either way…since i already had a +16 savinose weapon and planned to put the set bonus on the subweapon, so that i would eventually be able to replace the main weapon if needed. I expected to replace it with a newer tier though, not one of the same level.
And since my preparations with the non-rng stuff was done, i lacked only the rng ones - that was supposed only to be the seal though, since the weapon was done. And failed despite a 70% chance, but so is rng.
And then they flipped the table completely, making savinose worthless.
So, tell me, how is my fault being “not prepared enough” if the issue all stems from the devs making savinose items significantly worse at a sudden compared to varna and, secondarily, by not giving a crit-oriented class like fencers any fixed ichor with crit rate, thus having random ichors as the sole source for the high amounts needed with the new patch? It’s not like i can read the future. And neither should expect them to do such drastic changes at a sudden. I can react at them at most, and that’s what i’m doing - by keeping doing skia weekly to make rapiers and try doing a +16 one. A waste of resources and blessed gems that i would have gladly skipped if not for the sudden changes. So at least spare me the crap about “not being prepared enough”. As if we could know beforehand.

Hold up, isnt this EP12 dropped on ktos like 2 months ago, and you are telling that you dint know beforehand? wut

Let alone that two months are barely enough for two weapons - and you would be lucky enough to get it to +16 with only those tries - it’s not like i did that savinose +16 after the news from the new patch came. I did it before exactly because, as far as we were told, there was no significant difference outside of the sets available. If you have a way to tell to my past self not to do a savinose +16 and waste gems and silvers on that because they’re making it useless and try doing a varna rapier instead, feel free to do it. I don’t have those powers.

…get better gear, get good, play the game, and hopefully do all three. Only a lazy player would simply wait for Trans 8 +11 lvl 430 Legend Gear. A lazy player wouldn’t be capable of doing any of the three.

Why?

Let’s be real here, it was clearly stated that Savinose exists to bring legend equipment closer to majority the player, it was never meant to be an end game equipment that can be brought over when a sorta revamps comes to the game. Also, we’re not pointing at the correct root problem here, which is equipment progression. Things are totally rebuild from scrap when upgrading from one item to another. That transition in between items will only get harder and harder to get over when things progress. If you feel you invested your time on Savinose and got totally wasted, so do are all the random ichors that are in the WHOLE iTOS.

Things aside, IMC did take some steps on in particular problem


Tho it yet doesn’t include enhancements, atleast its on a right direction.

I’m not about to find out that you think Savinose Equipment, which is easy to get, should have an equivalent power level to Varna Equipment, which requires much more than a week’s worth of raw Silver. It makes sense (to me, anyway,) that decent effort yields decent rewards, and great effort yields great rewards. I cannot stress enough that Savinose being 100% on par with Varna creates a bigger issue : both sets end up being equal in power, but one ends up being considerably easier to get than the other, and even given away for free in some events.

This must be some sort of joke that is going over my head. No reasonable person would think that Savinose should be buffed to be as good as Varna.

The worth of Varna was supposed to be in the better set bonuses (until they bashed their heads somewhere and put moringponia/misrus set bonuses on both).
Also, Planiums’ price crashed due to a ton of challenge vouchers given by like every event and the reduced use caused by the free stuff. But they weren’t cheap before that, especially for people that tried to go for +16 (made harder by the low potential of savinose stuff).
By the way, in the korean version they gave for free varna+16 items, so what?

In KToS, a relatively small amount of endgame-ready Varna equipment was given to a handful of lucky players. I don’t know for sure, but I think the KToS community is a bit more than “a handful of lucky players”, so they probably weren’t a game changer for KToS as a whole.

Isn’t THAT the WHOLE point of GAME PROGRESSION? :man_facepalming:

hey…they did stab 2practo weapon users, lolopanther, solmiki, masinios and velcoffer in the back… that is like 100% of player base right ?
so… yea it’s ok to stab savinose users

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To be fair, the moment you said Savinose is worthless in EP 12, I wanted to stop right there. Observing kTest and kToS players doing the Lvl 450 content just fine on alt characters with Savinose using ichors and gems should provide enough evidence that Savinose is still great in EP 12, but to each his own.

At no point were Savinose and Varna ever equal (such as the difference in Potential and set effects). When Savinose was first announced, IMC also made it clear that Savinose was a more casual Legend gear players can get. The lack of difference between the two at first compared to the difficulty in clearing Legend Skiaclipse back then, along with IMC addressing such feedback a few days later (I think), should’ve been a sign to not focus fully into Savinose. Regardless, its your prerogative to focus on Savinose, nothing wrong with that.

My condolences if you’re from Fedimian. Its up to IMC to deal with Fedimian’s population, otherwise deal with your server issues and anvil or nothing. Hopefully the influx of players from the new servers (if any) will save Fedimian’s population. Failed enhancing the Seal despite a 70% chance of passing, or that 30% chance of failing? A pity, you’re going to do it again or skip Ataka, your choice. I heard many tales of players who made their Seal and half of them say its a fail on first try, some even saying 3 fails in counting, thus your lack of preparation. Boruta gear isn’t some casual gear as most players can tell.

Since your issue is that Savinose is “worthless” and that its “significantly worse than Varna” in the new patch, then great news, Savinose is nothing like that. You don’t have to take it from me, just take it from players in Korean servers who has the new level cap. If you’re talking about the event where Varna equipment was given by luck, I’m sure that with all the bad RNG you experienced with enhancing, those Varna equipment will land in your pockets for sure, right?

Seems like you were just misinformed and made bad decisions, my condolences once again.

Oh dont mind me. Just a player with +11 Savinose gear that is not worried going through ep12… Carry on…

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That’s just a problem when you adopt an equipment based design philosophy to handle difficulty.

• Players need to reach X baseline to play the game
• The game has to provide X baseline equipment to have players engaged
• Players that got their X baseline equipment for free or from their own effort are put on the same group
• Your “progress” value naturally decreases as the “difficulty” increases
• Getting to know and feel your equipment stop being as good isn’t satisfying (cannot be balanced due individual player speed)

Add that to other unfriendly systems like enchantment, set enchantment, anviling, transcendence. Most people won’t care as much if it weren’t for the fact they were forced (or inclined) to enhance their equipment with the promise they’d be able to enjoy the game or have the “difficulty” reduce by it. The best thing IMC did to reduce the transition stress was the ichor system, but even that isn’t enough as every new significant patch brings a lot of better ichors that make certain options a joke (it is retroactive at least).

This whole direction is built on such fragile foundation that it will happen every single time a new equipment and it won’t stop, and with higher base (and sub) stats it’s even hard to say to players that they can use older options for their unique set enchantments (which could be an interesting customization aspect). Unsustainable directions will only burn players for each patch till they drop out, we need a new direction that can be engaging, rewarding and less stressful with new updates.

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Might be out of topic and getting flagged but.

Did anyone know about PSO2 gear progression. I call that much better than what the traditional upgrade path like we have. You will need to +30 your item before its upgraded into next stage that resets the enhancement. Note that enhancing in PSO2 is like gem leveling we have here and never fails.

ah yes, myself a savinose user, but let me tell you
few thousands HP, some crit rate, and even 500 atk wont even make a dffirence. i ran crow, velcoffer with wayyyyyyy lower stats than requirement, even at the moment i’m still doing crow very well as tanker position with just 130k HP and 25k def, same with misrus… it is not about equipment, it’s how you play the game. I’m a casual myself, so many people out there even play way better than i can, and they trihard with 10k hours.
how about you ? asking for free items to be as good as high-cost items that people spend months to farm ? sorry but please fk off, i’m tired of your logic

Savinose is a stepping stone to better obtain end game gear. You can use it to get into Legend Skia groups to obtain Varna, and Varna can be obtained in just a couple weeks of running it.

There is no reason to panic. People have had months to prepare. Even the most casual player can obtain Varna, either by farming efficiently with the event Savinose that has been given out like candy for the last several months and buying Varna, or by getting into groups to run it and obtain it.

No one should feel stabbed in the back–especially in a thread about future updates because anyone in here knew about this months ago and has been preparing as much as possible since that time. By using Savinose gear, you will still be able to do what you need to do to help you get caught up. You’ll be fine. There is no reason to be upset and if you are it’s because you realize the patch is 2 days away and you’ve spent the last 2-3 months sitting around with Savinose gear complaining that there was “nothing to do.”

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with like 20m per level gap fee.
Here we go another drama.

Are they not gonna make Vaivora armors? XD At least for fixed armor ichors.