kTOS General Thread (keep all in-game discussion here)

[Derael]

If description is correct then it lowers actual stats, so it should apply before defences. But it is single targer and I doubt it can be used on bosses as well as I doubt it would work correctly in PvP. And for sure in final version of PvP they can’t leave it as it is.

I hope there would be lots of changes for PvP, starting from adding two different queues for gear and skill oriented players and finishing with adjusting skills and gear to work different way in PvP and PvE in order to be balanced (such system is implemented in GW 2 and in many other games and it works just well). Also a great idea would be adding LoL like leagues and premade teams in order to let people have fun against enemies of equal power. Though it will require quite high number of players, but I hope if ToS developers properly polish the game, build stable economy w/o hardcore p2w issues, it will truly shine and grab at least several hundreds or maybe even a few milion players in a few years which would make this possible). I may be too optimistic, but it is really a game I have very high expectations for, so it would be real shame for me if it fails at some stage.

For sure right now balance and gameplay is far from ideal but I’ve already seen quite a lot of potentially great game design ideas which if implemented properly would bring this game a huge success. For now it only requires a tons of work and maybe a few more years to uncover it’s full beauty, but it already looks so fun even at this beta stage with all those unbalanced mechanics and sometimes bizzare stuff.

So sad I’m unable to play on Korean server, that’s why I’m looking forward for intrenational beta to finally take part in it’s first years of pure unbalanced fun)

[scheffler_simon]

Well, considering 15 seconds as a buff time is really low, and you kinda depend on it as a ranger (C1-C3) i think the original idea of 10 seconds + skilllevel was perfect since it rewarded you going C3 not only with good AoE spells but you were on par with other classes (for once) now there is a 10 second window where, only talking about lower levels because on higher levels about flat 100dmg is not that much, you lose a huge amount of DMG. With Magic missles incoming you may fall or get a freeze debuff and you lost 1/4 of the duration just because you got hit. I think that’s kind of lame I still love it though and put all my money in it.

[lemaitre_dulotus]

Thanks, I was wondering how the new gravity pole was working
So now it’s basically a variation of psychic pressure ? That’s nice !

[Raspy]

I don’t need help reading it I need a test done to confirm. If they just pulled the code from Quickcast’s attribute and loaded it with a negative value it’s possible it’s just a modifier to the end damage. So there is definitely a possibility that it’s just a modifier.

It’s a pretty big deal. Especially if you could say shrink 28-38(depending on aim) mobs in say a tough room of Earth Tower with Plague + Thaum in gemmed gear with DM and have the tank taking virtually no damage from those mobs for 20-40 seconds give or take a Discern Evil.

[Derael]

Isn’t it 45% dps increase AND 100 bonus damage for 60%+ uptime? I can’t imagine why do you think it is weak in any way. It’s still 30% total dps increase and even more if you use most skills while steady aim is active.

[Derael]

Even if it’s modifier it is still 75% dmg decrease and in 5 minutes you can shrink even more monsters since it has relatively low cd. So 95% of tanks would still take nearly no damage. Also I though it’s single target, but now I’ve noticed it actually can shrink multiple targets it looks pretty OP as well. And if it even decreases their physical and magic attack as said in the description then it’s even better.

[Raspy]

I’d rather have 1’s popping up on the tank. Not 25% of the dmg he would have taken without.

I want to know if I should be thinking of thaum as something between a control and a support. Like a cryo with buffs.

[Erokhi]

25)Barbarian’s warcry is stated to increase PATK based on enemy defense decreased. So how much attack he actually gain. Is it decreased defense*number of enemies?

[Guide] Barbarian - By Cathexis

@ygorsouzar @Skrunken Forget my other post, for some reason the tool-tip was showing me a different number, so I had to run some tests again, and here are the results: Warcry Level 1 + Level 1 attribute: -13 defense Warcry on (1) enemies = + 13.0 Attack | 13.0 attack per enemy Warcry on (2) enemies = + 23.0 Attack | 11.5 attack per enemy Warcry on (3) enemies = + 35.0 Attack | 11.6 attack per enemy Warcry on (5) enemies = + 53.0 Attack | 10.6 attack per enemy Warcry Level 5 + Level …

24)Linker’s Umbrical Cord is totally unclear, what the hell can it mean?

Umbical Cord! How does it work?

It shares the highest stats between members. I.E - Here's a party: A swordsman with 500 CON A archer with 500 DEX A swordsman with 500 STR A cleric with 500 SPR A wizard/linker with 500 INT If the wizard/linker uses umbilical cord, everyone in the party will now have 500 of every stat. Pretty amazing.

23)Stone Skin. 4 mages with shields and 1 full SPR priest c3 + Krivis c3=100% winrate in arena PvP?

Assuming you can have that perfect setup, then that is a strong team. But 100% winrate? Depends on many things.

22)Petrify also seems very OP in PvP.

It’s just your standard rank 1 ailments that takes some time to cast. Easily countered by Oracle-PD. It also depends on who your enemy is (in 1v1 duel).

21)Ranger Steady Aim another OP. That QS c3 ranger c3 build is downright broken, it seems.

Steady Aim is powerful, but QSc3 and Ranger c3 isnt that “broken” imo.

20)Chronomancer Slow is pretty self explanatory, but what nulllify decrease attribute actually does? And other attribute decreases crit resistance of all affected enemies by 15% of casters INT, right?

It reduce the enemy’s crit resistance based on 15% of your overall amount of INT and reduce the chance for enemy to nullify your attacks. If you know Corsair’s Jolly Roger, it has an attribute where all party members can nullify damage (magic and physical) with a certain amount of chance.

19)Shrink body with max attributes decreases enemy attack by 75% right?

At ICBT2, Shrink Body didn’t work against players. I’m not sure about now.

17)Any formula for Revenge 7x of Kabbalist? It’s said 7x time the enemies attack but according to video it looks not even half as strong.

Show me the video. I have a guess that the “7x times” part is actually 7 times of enemy’s physical/magic atk, but not the actual final damage that is dealt.

16)How fast are Paladin’s Restoration ticks?

Slow. Restoration only gives you more HP/SP restoration during your nap period (sitting down). You can fix this by taking Krivis’ Aukuras to level 5, so when you sit down, you will have 300-500+ HP/SP restoration each second.

14)Rain elementalist skill. What it actually does?
‘FlameProperty Target Attack: 552’.

It reduces your enemy’s flame property atk if they get caught in rain. Rain also reduces your enemy’s mov spd.

2)Does Oracles Death Sentense work in PvP? Sounds like another OP.

Don’t worry, it’s a complete trash atm. It’s a rank 1 status ailment. Easily prevented & countered.

All right, sorry I can’t answer all of your questions. Idk some of the answers, and there are some things that I’m just too lazy to explain (busy atm).

[Derael]

I agree that 1 is better than 25%, but still 25% is much better than 100% Especially for tanks, who are expected to take damage and should not have any problems with it.

[Gwenyth]

Same for Melstis. It’s said that invulnerability buff after revive was fixed but what about dievdibrys invul buff?

It’s probably intended to extend with dievs buff, extending the revive ‘invulnerability’ mechanic is definitely something that can be described as unfair, and also takes a shot at the diev class’s C3 statue because of it.

Does Oracles Death Sentense work in PvP? Sounds like another OP.

Yes, long timer to kill player - can be cured easily. ( Indulgenitia , Cure )

11)Scout Perspective distortion also seems pretty cool especially if it can be used while in Barrel/Burrowed.

12)Wizard quick cast seems pretty cool with Krivis Melstis.

Quick Cast has 100% uptime from lvl 4,i don’t think that one is very good, maybe for a long spell cast rotation only. but i guess melstis effect is good for what it can do for team buff

Quarrel Shooter. As I understand running shot simply makes your attacks deal 3x damage with 30% more attack speed while running with like 65% uptime? Won’t people get banned for using it?

If they aren’t breaking the rules of the game, they won’t get banned.

22)Petrify also seems very OP in PvP. 30 seconds aoe stun, really?

I thought it was a very thin ( but long) cast radius.

Any formula for Revenge 7x of Kabbalist? It’s said 7x time the enemies attack but according to video it looks not even half as strong.

i’m not sure, another video you should see though : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9q24YoRBMs

[scheffler_simon]

I was just talking about the changes which were planned and revised shortly after.
28/01/2016 -

• Steady Aim Skill has been revamped and now does the following:
• Steady Aim cooldown changed from 65s to 25s
• Increases skill damage by 3% per skill level.
• Decreases SP cost of skills by 10% + 1% per skill level.
• Lasts for 10s + 1s per skill level.
  nothing more, taking this as an initial point for my argumentation i am still feeling it is currently nerfed to what it was intended to be.
  I’m still on “Team Steady Aim” <3

[Derael]

@Gwenyth, @Erokhi

Thanks for your answers, it really explained to me quite a lot.

24. Are there any proofs? This mechanic sounds really broken even comparing to all others I mentioned above. Getting thousands of free stats sounds pretty stupid. I really doubt it can possibly work this way.

And I can imagine the amount possible abuses if combine it with Transpose.

21)About QS+Ranger combo, maybe I’m overrating it, but raw numbers just look too good comparing to any other class. And it seems to be absolute best at least among other ranger class since I doubt any other archer class can dish out such dps. Also there were some videos where such a party simply steamrolled through the dungeon w/o stopping and w/o having a tank, so I wonder if it really has some downsides.

12. Agreed about wizard quick cast, it seems I misread the CD.

Still think that having so much DPS as QS+Ranger have is a bit dirty, but taking into account all the skills mentioned above it may truly be not so OP, especially in PvP(Honestly I don’t think it’s that strong in PvP). I wonder if there are any alternative ways to build the archer in order to be as effective in PvE.

[Erokhi]

24. Are there any proofs? This mechanic sounds really broken even comparing to all others I mentioned above.

Not broken, unless you have friends who want to increase only 1 stat from their characters. Full CON STR for Swordsman, full INT SPR for Cleric or Wizard, full DEX for Archer. Besides, you guys need to stick together in order to keep the effect, which means you guys are easy target for AoE skills.

21)About QS+Ranger combo

It is great in bossfight, dungeons, grinding (solo and party). But in PvP, I think there are better alternatives. In PvP, it’s all about how much damage you can hurt your enemy in a short amount of time. Musketeer and Cannoneer are simply insane in this aspect.

[tehtar]

Slow. Restoration only gives you more HP/SP restoration during your nap period (sitting down). You can fix this by taking Krivis’ Aukuras to level 5, so when you sit down, you will have 300-500+ HP/SP restoration each second.

I was wondering if you can build Krivis C2 / Paladin C3 / PD (or Krivis C3) to heal with Aukuras lvl10/15 + Restoration (about 600 HP/sec) and if it is viable (althou leveling this will be painful).

[Erokhi]

One of my friend used that build and it worked great especially in grinding. My party never spent a single potion during our grind with him. And we could also grind 6-10 hours straight back then because I played Squire to fix my party’s gears.

Anyway, that is a support build, so no wonder if you find trouble in solo levelling. But if you have a consistent party/teammates, it’s not a big deal. Moreover, Krivis c2 offers Zaibas which is pretty good at early level bossfight. Paladin also provides 3 times damage with Smite+Conviction combo.

[Sixaxis]

Questions left unanswered: #1 (Pt 2), #5, #6, #7, #8, #10,

1)I wonder if Pardoner Discern Evil prolongs CC? 30 seconds stun or even a root would be insane if not dispelled. List of effects which work with this skill would be great. Same for Melstis. It’s said that invulnerability buff after revive was fixed but what about dievdibrys invul buff?

It can, although I’m sure there may be exceptions, such as debuffs that are only applied while within an affected area. Unable to answer the Melstis extending Dievdibrys Invul buff question.

[quote=“protas_andrey96, post:5372, topic:125464”]
3)What’s the point in having Finestra 10% INT scaling attribute. If you ever get gear that gives INT for some reason you most probably won’t have more than 100 even in super late game. So what’s the point in making the whole attribute that would give 2-10 damage?[/quote]
There is no point. Even if there was a Rank 8 Swordsman class that relied on INT, the boost to damage would be minor by then.

4)Any ideas what Kabbalist “numbers” related skills do?

Explained in #15.

[quote=“protas_andrey96, post:5372, topic:125464”]
9)Ogouveve Bokor skill looks so weak comparing to above mentioned skill. I’m not sure how it works now but I found a description where it’s said to increase STR by ~15 at lvl 15 and decrease enemy STR by 10. Which looks really weak even for zombies.[/quote]
It’s powerful at Lvl 1, but it doesn’t scale well so it doesn’t need any more investment past that. At Lvl 1, half of your INT is converted into STR for them.

15)Any sense in Kabbalist reduce level ability? If it reduces 1 or 2 levels it seems pretty pointless. Were there any research on it’s mechanics?

It’s used after targeting an enemy with Gematria or Notarikon. A number is assigned to them based on their (file) name, then Reduce Level decreases their level by that designated number + the amount your Reduce Level applies, which should always be at least -10. You then potentially do more damage from the new level difference.

[Derael]

Sticking togetger is not a problem with full con) Still, it’s a must skill for optimal party in PvE since it is several folds better then any other skill out there if it works like this.

Making a party of full STR Barb Doppel/Corsair, FULL DEX QS Ranger (Or just 2 QSrangers, maybe 1 with falconer c1 instead of c3 ranger to reduce aoe defense ratio), FULL INT Linker Thaum(for max support) FULL CON Peltasta Hoplite and FULL SPR c3 Krivis c2 Priest PD/KB. In the end all of them would become terminators. And if instead of full CON Peltasta use 1 more full INT mage then you can flip INT and CON as thaum getting even more con due to bonus int through ranks. But this way you will need to swap 1 DD into Peltasta to have tank. I would suggest full DEX peltasta and full STR Ranger c2 QS c3 Falconer c1. As for mage, anything whith high damage or even another full int priest.

There are lots of possibilities, but what I mean is that such party is straightforward OP no matter how you look at it. That’s why I really doubt such a skill can exist. Otherwise earth tower would have already been dominated even by lvl 220 party of such sort.

[Derael]

Thanks for the answers.

It’s powerful at Lvl 1, but it doesn’t scale well so it doesn’t need any more investment past that. At Lvl 1, half of your INT is converted into STR for them.

It seems I’ve read outdated info, or simply missed the INT scaling. Also, buff only applies on zombies, not party members, right?

I was wondering if you can build Krivis C2 / Paladin C3 / PD (or Krivis C3) to heal with Aukuras lvl10/15 + Restoration (about 600 HP/sec) and if it is viable (althou leveling this will be painful).

Sure you can, but is it worth to spend 2 entire ranks(30 skill points) just to have better regeneration between fights?
If max party size increases then for sure such paladin would be useful to quickly recover between cleaning big groups of monsters.

[Erokhi]

It takes a consistent party to do all that. You won’t increase only 1 status right from level 1.
Your party will need to carry the Wizard until he/she hits Linker c3.

I have experienced playing with Linker c3 myself. I find it great, but is it OP?
In grinding, bossfight, dungeons, earth tower, guild raid, GvG, it looks great.
In arena, you can’t use that tactic because of random matchmaking system.
In 1v1 PvP, no need for explanation.

[Sixaxis]

It seems I’ve read outdated info, or simply missed the INT scaling. Also, buff only applies on zombies, not party members, right?

Yup, only applies on the Zombies.