Yes, I also consider exp boost items in cash-shop a form of p2win.
Other people leveling faster
- There will be always someone who levels faster than you do. This is an mmo, not a lan party where you can have the hope to be #1 at everything.
- Other people progressing faster does not impact your gameplay a damn bit. How does anyone who buys a 30% xp boost WIN over you? What kind of advantage will the person get over you? ePeen length? Better call the cops because someone got ahead of you in leveling, in an mmo.
- Its the least meaning stat in the game. Your level. It doesnt tell a damn thing about your skill, your build, your potential, your gear, your playstyle, your value to the team… nothing. Its the number which everyone has, and everyone who plays the game BY DEFINITION WILL MAX OUT. WITH OOORRR WITHOUT PAYING FOR IT.
Zomg perpetual, unlimited xp
- Oh so money grows on trees where you live? You literally suggests nobody cares about spending an unlimited amount of money.
- Also, lets not forget the fact that this does not work around any already existing game mechanics, such as drop rates or xp. They are literally buying a second lottery ticket in the hopes that they are going to get that drop.
P2W
- This items is pay for convenience, exactly because it does not work around any already existing game mechanics such as drop rates. P2W would be buying the drop you are looking for, from the shop. P4C is when you buy yourself another chance of obtaining something, instead of waiting the cooldown.
- Please get the definition of P2W right ffs. This is like the 36th time i have to correct someone who is implying that P4C is P2W. ITS NOT. Your argument that its p2w for others to progress faster than you do is ****. Its literally like whining that there are people who steal your absolutely no meaning spotlight.
Efficiency
- Spending money on something which i can AND WILL have by simply playing the game, spells not worth it. I literally dont have to spend a dime, and i will get to the same point those who perpetually buy these items.
THAT is why this is not p2w and THAT is what you fail to understand.
This is nothing more than a convenience item for wasting your real money. - P4C baits players with the simplest of things: Time and patience. If you have no access to a dungeon cooldown reset scroll, does that mean that you cant dungeon and/or progress? No it does not. All it means that it will take you the standard amount of time, instead of doing it faster.
Read above.
P2W would be buying yourself to a level which is unobtainable just by playing the game. This is not P2W. This is entitled, spoiled brats complaining that they are not the first in something which also coincidentally doesnt mean a god damn thing, because its just your level. It does not tell about your skill, about your build, about your potential, about NOT A GOD DAMN THING. Its literally just your LEVEL. Something which literally ALL of the ENTIRE playerbase will MAX out in due time.
STOP IMPLYING THAT P2W IS P4C.
The only argument you can make out of that is that you are both stupid AND entitled at the same time.
I would hope that you are NOT.
Both of you go and http://dagobah.net/flash/^_^.swf
Also: @Staff_Julie
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I cant put up with these people. They have no idea what they are talking about, but continue to moan and cry while damaging community, game and my nerves.
I hereby report myself. Ban me from the forum please because reading all of this **** is taking a toll on my health.
I just want to live 2 more days and play the game.
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You do realize that in this thread you’re the one who complains the loudest in the most childish way, right? You ironically ask @Staff_Julie to lock this thread because of all the drama, while you’re the only one who brought the drama here
EDIT: Oh, and now you edited your post to ask @Staff_Julie to ban yourself
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That gif was cute ^^!
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Im really sorry that the way i articulate my contempt for damaging comments rooted in ignorance and idiotism does not cut your expectation of quality.
Surely spamming the forum full with ZOMG P2WWWWWWWwwwwwwwwww IM LEAVING GG BB #ToSDEAD BBQ 4TW topics is a lesser problem than me raging about it. Especially that 99% of these topics:
- Does not know what p2w is
- Is started by children who L I T E R A L L Y have no idea wtf they are talking about
- Self contradict them self every second sentence
- Are nothing but a mass of whine
But hey, i at least took care of myself and asked for a ban on myself. Gotta give me points for that ._.
Read the thread. Nobody ever said anything like this in this way.
You on the other hand resort to insults, GIFs of explosions and a macro with a crying child.
You say that other people are causing the drama, but face it, you’re the one causing it.
At least you modified your post from “topic” to “this way”, too bad i was talking about the entire forum which is full with p2w drama on no grounds.
But hey, lets take a tour in this thread, which happens to be one of the mildest:
Because you know… admitting that ppl who create p2w threads and get even the definition of p2w wrong are damaging and unwanted… would be too much.
Lets just shoot the guy who snaps at them.
Cut down on a bit of hypocrisy will you?
It all boils down to “what your definition of P2W is?”.
I consider P2W anything that makes you earn exp, silver, items etc. at a faster rate than non-paying player.
So yes, coming back to the original topic, if those dungeons reset scrolls ever become available in the cash shop (which is very likely they will), it’s a form of P2W for me. Getting more dungeon runs in a day = big difference in how fast you clear the content.
Oh wait, i actually forgot to flag my post.
Fixed.
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Sorry, i guess im getting really bad at detecting sarcasm when there are 10 ppl writing the same thing and actually mean it.
I stand corrected then.
Each time I saw this pic’ i confound her with Morgiana from magi, still weird to imagine her with this face 
you did realise that my reply about “exp boosts are p2w” was pure sarcasm - i just didn see a need to tell that
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There is NO canon definition for P2W. There are as many interpretations of that as stars in the sky.
Except for common sense, or does that not apply either?
Refer to cosmetics being p2w because other ppl pay money to look better.
Oh and buying a game. Because paying for a game is the very definition of gaining the advantage of being able to actually play the game over those who did not pay and thus cannot play at all.
Fine, lets go with the idea that p2w has no clear definition, so then as stated above, its totally fine to make it include everything.
UNLESS ofc you grow a brain and admit that it gives you otherwise unobtainable items/stats/options. Is XP such a thing? You cant get xp without a boost? Sure bro.
You are literally arguing for stupidity here.
I dont even know how to take your logic seriously, but never the less you seriously wish to argue for it.
I can only repeat myself: Get familiar with the concept of pay for convenience.
Spending money on things you can obtain in game without any problem, just doing it faster/more conveniently.
Baiting players with time such as xp boosts and dungeon cooldowns are a perfect example for this. You can dungeon and level up perfectly fine without these items, but with them you can do it faster.
I’m so happy people think this item will never appear in the Cash Shop.
You have so much faith. It’s admirable. +1
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@black_light
Well, to me, p2w exists on a spectrum. It’s usually not black and white, though in certain extreme examples it is.
For instance, purchasing stats directly from the cash shop (unavailable elsewhere) would clearly be p2w, while cosmetics are clearly not.
Where things fall in between, the line gets blurry. Pay to win, in its most naked form, translates into “pay for an exclusive in-game advantage” - and the term advantage can give rise to wide interpretations. It is here where I disagree with you that all it boils down to is “common sense”.
I would think “pay for convenience” and its sub-category, infinite dungeon runs fall into this gray area category. What this means is that depending on how it is implemented, it is not a question of “It is P2W” or “It is not P2W”, but more of “it is more/somewhat/not really p2w”. How “convenient” must it be for it to fall under the P2W category?
Using an extreme example, being able to buy a level 280 character instantly would be “very” p2w. Adding a few dungeon runs would be “not quite”. Infinite dungeon runs may be “somewhat” etc.
So it’s more of a matter of degree than anything else.
Also I find that your tone of complaint is not very helpful either. Whining about whining doesn’t fix things. If you want them to stop, do so in a respectful and civil manner.
Common sense indicates that if Player A can achieve something in 5 days by paying money, while Player B can do it in 10 days without paying money, Player A has a clear advantage over Player B.
This is where a definition of P2W kicks in. I consider P2W any form of spending $$$ that gives you a noticeable advantage over non-paying players. Time is one of those advantages.
Some people might argue that P2W only applies to situations, where it’s impossible to achieve something without paying $$$. Sure, I can understand that viewpoint. But to me P2W simply means having an advantage over non-paying players. Saving hours to achieve the same goal is a major advantage in MMORPG. Therefore stuff such as exp boosters, more dungeon entries, etc. are a form of P2W in my definition.
Depends on your definition of P2W. Costumes don’t give me any clear advantage over other players, apart from appealing to my fashion needs, so it’s not P2W for me.
Aren’t we discussing ToS, which is F2P?
Weird, I don’t remember saying I include everything in P2W category?
Did you not read what I said? I said that you’re claiming that people cause drama while it’s you who caused drama. I never said that you can’t call out people for incorrectly calling something P2W. Here are a few quotes from you:
Even with all the things you quoted, you’re still the most dramatic in here by a long shot. Yes, you’re more dramatic than the Steve Carell video, which is more a memetic response (much like greenfoxy’s anime pictures) than genuine drama.
I’ll leave it at this. I’ve spent way too much time on this already, and it’s only causing more of a derail. Feel free to defend yourself some more via PM, but I am done discussing this publicly
I mean it’s a pretty fair amount of faith. So far IMC has proven to listen to the international community on matters such as this.
That said, dungeon reset scrolls would be one of the most powerful items available should it be in the cash shop for this game in particular.
Having a reset scroll means a player can reach max level in a day or a few days depending on play time and scrolls used, and also would be able to get some of the best gear at an infinite chance and faster rate.
It’s just so exceedingly powerful, even more powerful than outright putting gear in the CS, that it really makes sense to not expect such a thing in the CS, and the outcry alone should majorily affect it should it happen.
But I find it silly to really worry about a nonexistent cash shop item. It’s okay to be precautious, but to come to the forums and spread information in a way that can be misinterpreted as true and cause some form of panic over something non existent in the CS, just doesn’t seem like all that great of an idea.
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