Well then that’s up to your luck that the warlock is bad. There’s no way you can survive the sleep -> pole -> theurge combo
The same goes for all swordman skills. Everything is can be dodged, but the one with range & reach will always have an upper hand.
Even if you can dodge sleep, the act of warlock standing next to pole would render you useless as well, until he hits the next sleep.
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I’m a barbar3, i have to say this, swordsman sux in PvP so far, don’t know what will happen when Rank8 comes, i’ll wait to see b4 i choose my path.
It’s true that corsair hook is awesome, not unbeatable but still good. Better play as a support in PvP if u are a swordie.
As a 280 Corsair C3, I am top 10 of my server in 5v5 in past week, top 9 being a Cataphract. Pistol Shot is MVP.
I believe Rodelero can be a viable PvP swordsman with the addition of Murmillo at c8, aside from usual Cata or Corsair builds.
There are also some other skills worth mentioning:
- Cartar Stroke, Seism and Dragontooth for their range
- Pouncing and Cyclone for mobility and a counter to Theurge
- Pouncing again for a fine counter to Bloodletting
I wish Barb stuns were a little bit longer tho. Like 1 sec longer, all of them. That would’ve made a difference.
Also, both new C8 classes are supposedly very good for PvP.
I was thinking a lot about a Rodelero build for pure PvP, and I’m not sure yet, but this might, maybe, work:
Sw3-High1-Rodel3-Murmil1
You get a 60% Restrain which means your Shooting Star stuns like crazy and Cartar Stroke can stun/slow in a neat hitbox, you can gapclose and 2 skills to improve strike damage, and you also do Strike damage with abovementioned Shooting Star and Cartar Stroke, than Murmillo skills… Honestly, idk if it will work, maybe getting Minotaur Cards and Barb2 is a better idea instead? Idk, idk.
But I have little knowledge in Rodelero, I’d really like to see a strong Rodelero build someday… I once seen I guy doing like 40% of my hp dmg per shooting star, but I was immobile holding hook and I usually just shoot such ppl in the face anyway.
PS. Another really good suggestion - Sw3-Barb3-Drag2
There are swordie builds that can CC me from 100% to 0% in Battle Arena, between Iron Hook and knockdowns I literally can’t move until I die.
Keep in mind I play a cleric/priest/oracle with 38k HP. I dare you to call it a bad build.
s3/cata3/goon with the right gear can pump out some serious damage in pvp. Looking at the top 10 in 2v2 right now and there are tons of catagoons.
Swordie is fine, maybe your swordie builds just suck in pvp.
Well I mean, if you want to bring a knife to a gun fight and not complain that you don’t have one…
In any case, Swordies require more work than they put out, but they can do work if the build allows it. Mainly you’ll see it out of Catas, Corsairs, Rodels and the ocassional Barb having some RNG on their side. Catas for their burst and disorientative stunlock, Corsair’s for the party support & lockdown (and light poke if they went C3), Rodels for near infinite stunlock/CC, and the random Barb who happens to run all over everyone dishing out tons of damage and getting stuns when he/she needs it.
Swordies are deceptively hard to play in this game, but I’d put them in a semi-higher state than Archers imo. Archers have the advantage of sneaky tactics and range while having a fair amount of damage, but they often blow up if touched by anything if they haven’t invested hard in Con. They have to rely on their burst when they show up, or risk getting buttfucked because they showed up without a backup Wizard/Cleric behind them. That’s not to say Archers are bad and Swordies are fine because that is not true: That is upto the player to make do.
I’d say the true weakness of Swordies is just the lack of ways to actually survive or contribute to their party. They’re dictated to being either a meat sponge or a bruiser, and don’t particularly offer much aside locking down the enemy team or die trying. Since PD exists, we need a Swordie class that actually offers something to the team’s strengths such as a battle aura. Gae Bulg is a really weak version of this, but it is what I would envision.
Looking at top 100 5v5 right now and tell me how many swordies are there.
My build probably suck, I can only take down #3 PvP ranker lol
I’ll tell you a hint, reflect shield will help you dodge rush + restrain as long as it is up. You have enough time to CC the cata before reflect shield run out.
My build probably suck, I can only take down #3 PvP ranker lol
So stop whining about how bad swordies are?
That’s exactly why I’m complaining. Just because I can do it doesn’t mean it is fine.
People always say stuff like “look there’s 2 swordies in top 100 PvP, if you can’t do it it’s your fault” lol. Can you see how stupid that logic is?
If you have 2% chance of success, while the others have 50% chance with the same effort, is it fine with you?
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No, that is exactly the point.
If they can, and you can, what is stopping anyone from doing it?
People complain but they either have crap builds or they play poorly.
The fact that people CAN, means it is fine, and the other people are doing it wrong.
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This isn’t a percentile thing. PvP isn’t a roll of the dice.
In fact, as a cleric I dread facing a good catagoon or corsair over everything BUT a hunter. Hunters are my hard counter.
PvP IS a roll of the dice. You depend on your team composition as well as their team’s, which is randomly but not evenly distributed.
Dude, have you ever wondered why there are so many wizards and clerics that can do it right, while so few swordmen and archers can? This is for a good 6 months over, not just a few days.
You are a cleric, no wonder you don’t see any issue. Try rolling a swordman, even the best sword 3 cata 3 for PvP and come back to tell me it’s fine.
If PVP was a roll of the dice you would see the rankings be drastically different, week over week. Protip, they aren’t. The same skilled players get to the top, regardless of their sub-class.
More people play those classes at a high level, of course. Swordies take more gear, and more silver to be effective. This does not mean the class is intrinsically worse.
Also LOL @ archers comment. Archers do plenty fine in TBL and you know it.
Nice way to dismiss me without actually making a point. Clerics depend on other classes to win, should I whine on the forums every time I get paired with bad players?
You means the same players get to top of the leaderboard with different characters and build? Or they just use the same old char every time?
And answer me why after week over week, there’s only 2 swordman on the leader board? Is it because no one play swordman, or because swordman sucks?
Eh? You need to invest more as a swordman to get to the same level as other classes, and that doesn’t mean the class is worse? If the class is on the same level as other, why do they need to invest more?
6/100, better than swordman 2/100. Yes I know it.
The #3 player I posted above is actually a cleric. And I’m pretty sure he get to that rank with any random team he has. So no on the composition dependency part.
No one plays swordsman at that level. If one person can do it, anyone can. That one person is not superhuman.
Yes, you need to invest more. Swordie is gear and attribute dependent, as it is in pretty much every MMO. Since there is a stigma associated with swordies in this game also, less people play them.
4 more people that took the time to play their class well. They could do the same as a swordie. Again, those 2 players are not superman.
Time for me to flip your words on you. Play a cleric and tell me how it is. No. If you get paired with garbage, you will lose no matter how good you are. Whereas, other classes can turn a bad comp into a win depending on their play.
lol there are people actually arguing swordman is fine in pvp?
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Since gear was counted in TBL, swordies with good gear are doing fine.
Why? Because swordman is fine?
Again answer me why? Don’t dodge the question. You suddenly have to bear the burden of 3-4 times more cost, for absolutely no reasons, and that’s fine with you?
No they are not superman, they are just lucky with random match up
Oh boy, why yes I do, I’m leveling one cleric just for that sole purpose. I’ll get back to you when my cleric reach rank 6/7
Orly? Since when other classes don’t have gears?