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IMC, the new GvG time restriction is killing us

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#19

We’re not going to queue with only 10 people online and none of them being a chrono. We’re not going to beat Crimson nor Lotus when that happens. I mean for goodness sake, I’ve PM’d you specifically sometimes asking how many games you have left when we finally get the team together.

Some people have life commitments that don’t allow them to play a video game at certain times. Most people in Bad Apple couldn’t play at 9. It wasn’t to dodge anyone, they just couldn’t.

Also, who from BA was bragging about “being #1?” The entire sentiment in the guild is “wow IMC is really screwing up.” No one celebrated a victory as if we earned it. We know what happened and we acknowledge it.

It honestly seems like you have misdirected anger towards us about the entire situation. You’re also being unreasonable about people not being able to make a specific time due to IRL commitments. C’mon man, take a step back and look at how ridiculous that sounds.

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#20

Then recruit more people or suggest a more reasonable hour. 12 is not reasonable in any context. And Owntrolf was most certainly bragging in chat.

#21

Well, you’re right. 12 isn’t very reasonable and I’m not a fan of it. Personally I think GvG should be 2 hours long starting from 9 and going until 11. It would solve a lot of issues. Just flat out removing a time slot and only leaving a single one hour block just baffles me.

Also pretty sure that’s just Owntrolf being…well, Owntrolf. ;p

EDIT: Just saw your edit. Trust me, seeing who’s #3 every week with a single game played shows how obnoxious things are and we sure as hell don’t like it, either. We want competition, too. Not much I can say to try and convince you we’re not just straight up dodging you guys other than to say that we just wanna play you when we’re at our best because we enjoy competition and respect Crimson’s ability.

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#22

I don’t get it, if there is a bigger turnout at 12 am EST for the majority of the guilds, then isn’t that time slot just better than 9 pm?

Just as you can’t make the 12 am slot and find it “unreasonable”, it would seem MORE people find the 9 pm slot unreasonable, judging by the overall turnout.

#23

It’s almost like you failed to read my entire post. There are currently 4 guilds that can compete against each other. 2 make 9 timeslot, 2 make 12 timeslot.

Alpha
Bad Apple
Lotus
Crimson

One timeslot is much more unreasonable than the other.

#24

How is it the 12 am slot is unreasonable if 2 of the 4 big guilds can only make that one (according to you)? You’re assuming what is reasonable and what isn’t based on your own schedule.

But really, if you want to talk about gvg points system or rankings, I think you should start your own thread. THIS thread is about people not being able to gvg in the 9 pm timeslot.

You guys seriously need to stop derailing every gvg thread to Crimson something something Bad Apple (case in point: [Guild Battle League] Matches aren’t counting towards the GBL Score). The rest of us don’t care, honestly.

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#25

It’s unreasonable by simple logic. Forcing east coasters to stay up till 1 in the morning EVERY day versus having west coasters play a little earlier than they may want to. The vast majority of workers from the west coast should be able to make the 9 pm EST timeslot (6 pm pacific). If you can’t make that time then you are not the norm and you need to either adjust your schedule or recruit. Playing till 1 am is not the norm for east coast workers.

Until you actually refute my point, I’m going to continue writing it back to you.

#26

I don’t care about top guilds. I just want to have only one 1 session at 9 pm.So I can actually compete and go to bed for work in the morning. This is the best thing for me and my friends.The 9 pm session was dead with the 12 am session and now with only 1 session at 9pm there is so much guilds participating,obviously beside Lotus and Bad Apple who wants to change it because they say so.

Also If Crimson and Lotus are able to q when they are not at their 100 why can’t Bad Apple do it.They did the effort to q at 9 and 12 when they don’t have all their members and yet still win most of their games.Crimson Lotus and Bad Apple are the tops guilds I assume and need to man up and Q with wtv ppl they have.Their is small guilds who have bigger balls FFS lol and Q regardless.

Props to those who q at 9 pm and 12 am regardless of their roster and still be able to win.

No tp or competition for you guys then if your not going to q at 9pm bc IMC will not change it as long some of us are ok with it.To be honest stay up till 10 pm and waking up at 4 am for work the next morning is hard for me and most ppl who has jobs.

IMC good job thank you so much

#27

In the end, IMC cannot really please everyone.
We are talking about international server here where everyone have different timezone and schedules.

East Coast players cannot attend GvG at 12am.
West Coast players cannot attend GvG at 9pm.

Some solutions I can offer :

  1. GvG starts around 9.30pm-10.30 pm (must change TBL schedule)

  2. GvG starts at 9.00pm and lasts until 11.00pm (must change TBL schedule)

  3. GvG on weekends only (Saturday-Sunday) where most people shouldn’t have work.

  4. Keep the current schedule until we are sure that majority of the guilds in North America server actually voice their opinions that the current schedule is not good for them. We currently only have Lotus and BadApple on this list.
    We still have Alpha, Aistra, Asperity, BananaSquad, BrigadaFantasma, Clover, CutenotLewd, Cyanide, Database, Desu, Diamonds, Elevated, Entropy, Euphoria, FashionSaviors, Faith, F.O.E, Futureproof, Guild, GuiltyCrown, GUNMA, KruvinaLatina, Leporine, Minions, Nightswatch, Ohayou, Sekai, Unsullied, Tarot, TALT.SECX, etc to voice their opinions on this thread. :slight_smile:

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#28

IMC has always had issues understanding peak play hours which shows with the 10PM maintenance time. It’s a shame that they don’t seem to be listening to people trying to tell them to adjust their scheduling. Good luck!

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#29

There is a bigger turnout at 12 am slot.

There is a smaller turnout at 9 pm slot.

So based on simple logic, 12 should be the norm for this server.

It has nothing to do with west coast or east coast. It has to do with who actually shows up to GVG. Although I believe an hour between the original two time slots would be the best solution for all.

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#30

So even though I’m from east coast but 12am works better for me, my opinion is invalidated because I’m from Lotus? Rip.
Jokes aside, I like Eroc’s and Vheissu’s points and understand where they’re coming from. Specifically Eroc’s second point about having GvG being 9pm until 11pm. Is there anyway to get these points across to the IMC staff, or would it have to be a collective agreement from all the guilds do you think?
GvG was really a saving grace for many people on the server, that’s why a lot of our members have stayed active because honestly, making alternate characters and Earth Tower isn’t really that much fun enough to hold everyone over until Rank 8.
I guess in this situation someone is going to be upset but I don’t know, I wish there was a better solution to 1 short time slot. Like I said, I like Eroc’s idea because not a small amount of people can participate, everyone can.

#31

I am also a member of Lotus. There are several members of Lotus that live in Alaska (not just me), that can’t make the new time slot either. I’m not sure that forcing everyone to conform to one time slot is the right thing to do, because unfortunately somebody always misses out. We need to go back to having either 2 or even 3 GvG time slots so as to appease everyone.

Lotus itself has fought Crimson more than any other guild, so this so called “dodging” just isn’t a reality in our world. Regardless, other guilds might dodge and frankly, they will continue to do this. You just can’t stop that kind of behavior, nor do you need to.

If we can’t do multiple time slots then we either need one in the middle (10pm est), or we need to make a single 2-3 hour slot.

Bottom line: a single one hour session is not the solution for everyone. Let’s not be selfish. We can find middle ground.

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#32

Sure there can be compromise on a timeslot, but what really needs to be fixed is the fact that we are forced to GvG every day of the week in order to keep up in rankings. GvG needs to be set to specific days or the ranking system needs to be changed.

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#33

10Pm sounds like a more better time slot that would benefit all the guilds or just do a 9-11 pm 2 hour thing. No need to be selfish IMC can fix it and cater to everyone.

#34

You think being a top guild just “happens”? It takes dedication.

Of course ideally every guild would be included, but choices have to be made. Given that, IMC should favor those guilds which have shown through action the strongest interest in GvG.

What in heck are you talking about. The whole point of my OP was that we want to compete and can’t join 9:00 PM EST. It’s like Lotus doesn’t even exist to you. What a jerk.

And if the 12 AM session gets more action than the 9 PM session, which you tacitly admit here, then you are just proving my point.

Terrible post.

#35

I think the reality is that getting 15 people online is hard for most guilds other than Crimson. While Lotus may not care about fighting battles at a great disadvantage, I don’t think that standard should be applied to every other guild. My guild has had 13 people online at absolute maximum, and even then we did not want to fight Crimson. Why? Because the scoring system is stupid, losses hurt too much, and it’s simply not fun to play an unfair, one-sided game. When we finally get some kinos and thaums and can consistently get 15 online, we may want to play then - but until that point, it’s just not fun. Even if we had kinos and thaums, if we were in Bad Apple’s supposed situation (10 people online sans chrono), I still don’t think we’d want to play either. The composition doesn’t have to be perfect, but there are clearly some required classes, and not having them is just fighting crippled. That being said, I really don’t think we should all just assume they can’t possibly have issues with turnout and composition, and are simply playing the 12 o’clock slot to dodge you guys at 9. From my understanding, they are a casual guild and don’t seem to be very strict with rules or recruiting, so I personally find it believable? Maybe I am missing insider knowledge here though.

Full disclosure: I have a friend from Bad Apple so I’m not entirely unbiased, but I am not in the guild nor do I really interact with anyone of them outside of said friend. I don’t want to reveal my guild and make them a part of the drama, but we do usually make it to top 10.

#36

Tarot here for our two cents:

It doesn’t matter what time slot you want, when we’re ready soon you’ll all be dodging anyway.

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#37

If they can’t field a full team necessary to win like we’ve been doing since the inception of GvG then why should they deserve the #1 spot? If they want to play casually then lobby for decreased schedule and more fair times for all, not what is just convenient for them.

#38

It’s 9 pm so I’m gouuud my friend lol XD and I get some action in GVG and a nice sleep.

At the end of the day it’s 9 pm and I am so happy right now.Cmon guys let’s all join the 9 pm XD