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IMC, the new GvG time restriction is killing us

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#42

I couldn’t agree with you more. I think it’s pretty selfish of people to just lump every person playing the NA server in either East coast time or West coast time. Especially coming from the people who are saying “I don’t care about anyone else (but myself) or any of the top guilds”

I live in Alaska. That’s right, people do play games up here in their igloos, so hard for small minds to fathom, huh? And guess what, THERE’S MORE. I am not actually the furthest west time zone you can get! We do have friends all the way over in Hawaii too! And yes, the 9pm EST time is extremely inconvenient. It almost entirely takes away GvG for me unless I play for the weekend.

Statistically more players on NA Tos play past midnight EST time.

IMC NEEDS to reconsider their GvG host times. Whether they add an extra time slot, extend the one slot to 2-3 hours, or pull some Houdini ■■■■ out of their asses. I don’t care. It just is not working. And guess what, if it was working people wouldn’t be complaining. :kissing_closed_eyes:

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#43

If you’re going to use statistics and majorities to validate your point then please don’t also ask to be catered to while coming from Alaska. We have many Europeans and Asians in our guild who pretty much cant play GvG either.

Bad Apple and Lotus are not the majority, and even if they came close they aren’t an overwhelming majority.

#44

Vheissu, you’re not the only one who plays the game. But you are the only one who complains about stuff that only applies to you. So I don’t want to hear it. Take your QQing about being 1-up by Bad Apple to a different forum post.

You think by now you would know that most people don’t take you seriously, all you do is whine. You’re on the same level as OwnTrolf and nobody really respects you. :kissing_closed_eyes:

Also maybe your Europeans and Asians should go to their respected servers. I’m still North American. I would like to be catered to as such. :kissing_closed_eyes:

#47

It was a joke, even if it was a lazily made one. How is fair to demand IMC cater to Alaskans when only one guild has a few players from it? What about 50%+ of my guild who come from timezones that the majority of the games population comes from? Are we terrible people for asking for balanced times that the majority can make? If so, what does that make you for demanding IMC caters to you?

#48

No one is terrible for asking for their situation to be taken into consideration.

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#49

Feel free to queue in the 9pm time slot like the first week. Lotus simply has no people at that time and can’t do gvg at 9pm time slot. You said you are forced to gvg at 12, but we don’t and never ask you to gvg on the 12am time slot. It’s you who decide that you have to do gvg at 12, not us.

Since we have no people at 9pm and there’s no gvg at 12am now. Enjoy your gvg at 9pm everyday, Vheissu.

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#50

You’ve compelled me to finally make a forum account. Thank you.

I don’t know why you’re so caught up with Lotus this and Bad Apple that. Other people have been trying to get it through your thick head, but it seems you still don’t understand that MORE PEOPLE PLAY AT 12. Period. With or without Lotus and Bad Apple.

These two guilds together do not make up the majority in itself, but they are sure as heck part of the greater majority which play at 12. It’s just that you aren’t, and that’s too bad. Maybe YOUR guild needs to recruit people who can make the 12 slot lmao.

If we are talking about catering to the majority, then it is clear as day that if we must choose a slot between 9 and 12, it should be 12.

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#51

Maybe reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit, but I’ve reiterated countless times the reasons people queue at 12 including Crimson, and that is not entirely due to lack of players. Apparently Alpha doesn’t even exist in your mind even though they’ve been beating you and your guild. They can field a team at 9 just like we can as well as many smaller guilds can as well.

12 AM didn’t become the mainstay until we pushed everyone out of the 9 PM timeslot out of fear. Both Aistra and Desu were playing at 9 until they stopped as was Bad Apple. You know why 12 AM is so active? Because you’ve forced every guild to queue at 12 to avoid Crimson because you have so yourselves.

#52

Crimson has 15 people regardless of whether it is 9 or 12, while other guilds are struggling to even get 15. I’m sorry you think the world revolves around you and your perfect roster, but if you’re so salty about playing in less than perfect compositions at 12, then maybe you shouldn’t force other guilds to play with less than 15 people at 9. You are so entitled it is actually ridiculous. I really hope it is just you and not your entire guild that is self absorbed enough to think that every guild is queuing at 12 ONLY because they want to avoid Crimson, and not because of well, every other possible reason under the sun.

Oh and, you guys queue at 12 too. So how exactly are guilds playing at 12 dodging? You are queuing regardless of time slot anyway. Why wouldn’t guilds just queue in the supposedly more convenient 9 slot?

Oh, maybe because it isn’t more convenient.

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#53

This thread has taken an odd turn. Lol.

Would 10 pm est work for the majority of players? How about 11? If 9 and 12 clearly arent solutions lets get a compromise to at least attempt to fix the issue.

My vote is 10pm.

#54

Hmm… I’ll be home after work just in time for tbl (10 pm) and I would like to keep doing tbl for panda. Gvg after tbl (11pm) sounds good for me. So I vote for 11pm. Idk anout everyone else though.

#55

Hi, I’m the leader of TALTSE.CX. I would say the problems with GvG go far deeper than just the timeslot. Firstly, it doesn’t scale levels like TBL, so if you want to play you need to be 280 or have your damage reduced to 1 due to level differences. Secondly, you need a full squad to compete, as discussed in this thread. Combined, these two factors make it impossible for my guild (and I assume many others) to experience organized PvP at all, because not only do we not have 15 active players at once, we certainly don’t have anywhere near 15 level capped players with decent gear (I don’t think we have any!)

I would love to see a a serious PvP queue with more reasonable requirements for entry, such as a 5v5 pre-made teams queue. I don’t see why it couldn’t work like the old ranked teams in LoL, where you create a system-recognized static that competes against other statics. It would be especially nice if it wasn’t even tied to guilds, as I have a few friends who aren’t in my guild who I’d like to PvP with.

Whether it rewards TP or doesn’t, I don’t care. I just want an opportunity to enjoy the game in a more competitive environment without such a high barrier to entry. Completely random teams in TBL leave much to be desired, but the only other option is GvG, and it’s not feasible for everyone.

#56

I think we all agree with organized 5v5 tbl but lets keep this discussion to a simple and easy fix for 15v15 gvg as it currently stands.

Lets aim for a best short term (few month) fix. 10 or 11 pm is most realistic for this. Votes plz!

At least something to buy imc time were they to do more robust changes.

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#57

I think 10 is a fine compromise and TBL needs to be moved.
11-12 is still quite late.

#58

tbl 9
gvg 10
tbl 12

20char

#59

TBH I don’t think GvG should give anywhere near the amount of TP it gives as long as there are only 2 or 3 guilds that can actually compete as intended. The only other avenue to acquire free TP is through events, and you’d be lucky to get 100 in a week (a month?) let alone 200, 300, or even more.

Assuming that I had the means to compete in GvG, having it from 12-1 AM every day would be completely ludicrous. Even 11-12 is pushing it. 10 seems fine, as I would be very surprised if the vast majority of players aren’t home by 7, but again, an entire gameplay mode (that receives exclusive balance changes!) that only 2 or 3 guilds have the means to compete in is a development dead end and should not be focused on.

#60

Lets not forget the people in the other servers. I don’t even want to start thinking how imc came up with these hours.

#61

My general impression in Lotus is that 11PM is preferred.

And that 10PM is still worlds better than 9PM.

#64

That’s a good point, if GvG and TBL can’t be at the same time then GvG can get the ■■■■ away from my 10pm TBL imo

#65

It’s not about East coast, West coast, Alaska or elsewhere. It’s not about Crimson, Lotus, or Bad Apple.

It’s about compromise in NORTH AMERICA, to get maximum GvG participation possible. Everyone wants more guilds, more competition, so we can all agree that the current schedule needs changed.

Let’s drop the conspiracy theories on ‘dodging’. All 3 guilds played one another at least once this last week, so it’s obviously not an issue.

Move on.

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