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Ichor - aka the next level of ridiculous RNG

Have you tried it or disagree only in theory. From my point of view if a piece of equipment can have/has random status applied to it - it is a “random status equipment”. Technically you are re-rolling re-rollable stats and it shouldnt matter where they are…

And it would make sense from progression point of view - you can have higher rolls/better stats.

Suggestion: The only thing that random stat system lacks is an ability to lock stat(s) from re-rolling for an extra price (Tera Online had a decent system on this).

So, finally after breaking my 2nd Laitas Gloves and around 3000 sierra powder, i managed to get my hand on the Ichor from the 3rd gloves. Each crafted Laitas Gloves costs around 20m, and sierra is around 40k each. That means i lost 180m for this Ichor. Jesus i have no idea i spent that much just for an freaking Ichor… Then, i tried to convince myself that it’s worth and proceed to the next step: Equip the Ichor.

I swear to God that my heart skipped a beat after climbing all the way to the Fedimian top just to find out that i need ANOTHER 720 SIERRA DUST AND 180 SHARDS just to equip the Ichor to the glove. I was like: ARE YOU FKING KIDDING ME? This keeps getting worse and worse. Then here i go again convincing myself that this is fine, after all the fail attempts i’ve been through this is the last step.

Well, it’s not the last step. The last step is apply a set bonus, from 5 different random sets. Before trying, i thought that this could be the easiest part, since the chance is like 1/5 of getting what you want. But hell no, after spending 30m on 10 solution bottles, i still havent get the set i want. At this point i feel nothing but frustrating. Oh well, what did i expect in those layers of RNG…

The whole experience is not fun for me at any parts and if you ask me if i want to do it again. Well, I swear that i won’t. But afterall i’m happy that i (almost) finished my first Velcoffer gear. You can read my story then decide later if u want to do it or not. Personally i think i will stick with my Solmiki for awhile, at least until this whole system is better.

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That’s kind of what I’m getting at, it’s been more than a week with this shop section, I check every day, not a single Ichor. Nobody will sell them because they are too hard to get, but here we have a market category dedicated to them instead of just dumping them in with equipment or materials.

IMC failed and now it’s just a matter of pride, how long can their pride keep them from giving reasonable rates or removing this dumb category.

People will sell them, not many ofc. Not even for very much silver.

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Its a dumb system, but “for best endgame gear… for top players” and its not like its ‘needed’.
:tired:

i guess because things get slightly better in the future patch when the primus droprate is quadrupled, and the sierra amount you get from dismantle is doubled. But right now in itos i think ppl should save their resources and ignore ichors, just wait for that patch.

Another solution would be to make an option on 0 potential items to double the price without consuming potential. Still way to expensive in my opintion for the marginal possible improvements over solmiki but at least u can save ur irreplaceable one time item. And for the raid 330 stuff u can choose to just craft a new one and safe the money.
mfg
Majin

It’s ok as you’ve got nothing else to spend silver on except equipment and attribute points at endgame.

So it’s actually helping the economy very much if the players spend their dozens & hundreds of millions on Velcoffer instead of flooding the market with it.

After watching the Dragon Nest economy inflate like a baloon over the course of 3 years, IMC is still very effective in collecting the silver from all kinds of players while not destroying the overall balance that much (if we exempt the +40 weaponry).

As long as people are happy with marginal improvement, that’s fine.
In my case, I’d rather spend my millions on buying attribute points to max the attributes for Exorcists Rubric&Aqua Benedicta than wasting them on “potentially better equipment” that has too much insecurity in it to be worth the time&ressources spent.

Especially considering with how many others you have to compete with for the scarce resources[i.e. good armors/ichors/recipes].
Sure, the improvemt is costly (~200 million silver from level 80 -> level 100), but it is absolute and is a complete progress for however long your character exists (i.e. including future Ranks that provide better equipment options); i.e. future-proof investment.

Also, 20% more damage is not a shabby thing, that’s 1% per 10 million spent.

In contrast, by ruining your bought equipment, you lose several dozens of millions for recipe, practonium,possibly materials and the ichor kits or at least several dozens for an item with 3-4 green stats, sierra dusts and ichor kits.

That’s 0% improvement for up to 200m or more each ichor, unless you’re not using Solmiki, thus not losing equipment set boni by exchanging the specific items one by one.

There is no point in quickly getting the new gear. Velcoffer will probably stay relevant till Rank 11 or 12, which is until 2019/2020 (if the game survives so long). That said, there’s still a time frame of over one year to get the items slowly after improving everything else first that will stay on your character (i.e. attack attributes, status points,levels,etc.).

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It is meant to be a tough endgame goal to get a full velcoffer set ichored and set bonused. Fact remains you don’t need the gear to do the content, so you can be patient with it.

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But its just stupid to do it … i mean some goals have to be hard but there has to be some fun involved as well…
why is the highest velcoffer titel achieved after 250 weeks ?..
Who the hell thought about sth like this …
Well i m pretty sure i m gone as well if i m a littlebit unlucky there xD
I probably could bear it to pay or farm 2k sierra powder but failing 4 green stat primus and replacing that will kill it for me :stuck_out_tongue:

Because you’re in it for the long haul. Remember, Velcoffer is supposed to be better than gear that doesn’t even exist yet.

At this point, it might be a hint that they plan on merging achievements into account based instead of char based. The game isn’t even 5 years old…

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I don’t even bother.
Why do people even support these kind of shitty layers of RNG? It’s not good for any games, like lootboxes.

someone on Fedimian just got Ichor-ed/IMCed:

The same reason people still support Angry Pumpkin Baby President: They bought in early and don’t have the mental flexibility or the strength of character to admit to themselves that this crap sucks.

There isn’t even a tangible reason to bother with it outside of the casual weekend-warrior level. A velcoffer with bad green stats is a fine item with a reasonable budget. The ultimate ichor Velcoffer is a massive waste of money, and the people who are pretending their Velcoffer isn’t going to get replaced with a Primus in a year are out of their minds, and absolutely will ragequit when that day comes.

I keep saying it: This game is engineered to torture min-maxers. It’s almost spiteful, like IMC wants to hurt them, specifically.

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Since the begining, i’ve broke 4 weapons to get ichor for my weapon. i’ve just give up. Purely crap system. day farm for nothing.

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ichor system is cancer

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Sincere condolences :frowning:

Hell I would have just enchanted and transcended that bow and used it instead… wouldn’t have risked these almost perfect stats on ichoring.

When I look at the last 20 primuses I found and all are one-line blue/purple garbage…

I just hope that with r10 we’ll get an overhaul of this stupid system. Maybe if enough players complain…

Stop trying for the ultimate weapon. There is no such thing. You fell for the min-maxer trap. Everything goes away in TOS. Break cheap primuses until you get something decent, fine.

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But guys, if all of you quit because of the RNG-upgrade system, who will quit because of the BOTS?

:haha:

I will. I did before. Was gone for at least a year. Wasn’t the only reason I quit, but it was definitely the biggest one.

If the enforcement stops, I’ll probably quit again. But there are far less now, no? At least on Klaipeda. While they still exist, the difference is night and day.

Ooh, man. Time to purge my negative steam review. They’re not quite in positive territory yet, but… They’re getting there.

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This is why I am just collecting Velcoffer gear slowly and not worrying about ichoring until they make the RNG a tad more forgiving.

5% is ridiculous on top of having to upgrade / transcend / add set bonuses