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Hunter + Rogue, looking for advise pls

Hello everybody,

I am playing as ArcherC1+QSC1+HunterC1 atm . My objectiv is to make a Hunter+Rogue for PvP .
I am not sure about class order, i got 3 builds in mind :



Can someone help with it ?
Is viable to combine Hunter and Rogue for PvP ?
Do Scout Cloaking is a “Must Have” ?

About stat, i go for 2 STR/1 CON/1 DEX .

Thank you to read me .

Hope someone can advise me .

GL HF .

all 3 builds are absolute trash, complete garbage

what is the obsession with a random circle in QS, QS is 3 circles for running shot or 0 circles, period, in all cases ever - I get you have 1 circle in QS, so re-roll, your circle 3, that takes 2-3 hours to redo

QS 1 or 2 is bad, you will regret it…
You also need cloacking for PVP so Scout at least 1 is a must have.

I’m an A2 H3 Fal 3, does it work in pvp? kinda.
Do I recommend hunter for pvp? absolutely no.

You’ve played as a hunter, tell me your experience with it. you’ll realize that it is unreliable, most people I’ve seen take hunter for pvp builds end in cannoner or musketeer. how many times when I’ve faced them they’ve used their hunter skills? 0

Hunter is great at killing clerics but to use hunter skills in a pvp setting aswell as in a pve setting where the pet takes at most 2 hits, it’s really difficult. That’s why the pvp builds I’ve faced do not rely on their hunter skills but rather on their insta kill skills

So. I don’t recommend hunter for pvp at all…

You honestly have picked the 2 worst classes in the archer tree, arguably the worst 2 classes in the entire game and want to combine them into 1 flaming train wreck.

Oh I replied to you, sorry, was meant for OP.

Hunter is bad, falconer is bad, cannot deny that. but man, it’s so much fun.

Thank you for VERY fast answer guys .

Happy to see community is active on this game, haha .

Alright, i got it, Hunter sucks in PvP and PvE, but i prefer to play pet class if the game provide it .
On the same time, i up a Cryo+Necro too .

I plan to make a Cannoner+Sapper too but i am not sur Sapper is good for PvP, is it ?

But i want to focus on Hunter and Rogue for this thread :

  • I know Hunter is not good, but maybe find a way to play it in PvP, maybe with Musketeer ? Skills with Musket look very strong, maybe a build like that should be playable in arena :
    http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/p3hmq10c8j/
  • I guess Rogue C3 need Scout Cloaking, but what classes should be nice with Rogue for PvP ?

any musket c2 or cannon c2 with scout1 will work for pvp b/c you just have to cloak and then snipe or cannon blast someone in the back of the head

its fine if your determined to play a hunter aslong as you understand their ceiling is really low, this game is extremley unforgiving and expensive, dont want to see you throw away money is all

yesterday alone it cost me 17.2million silver to take 1 of my attributes lv60 to 70, you dont want to invest like that on a random crappy build just b/c it sounds cool

gl though

I just start the few days ago, i am more in discovery mode than tryhard mode, i can understand why Hunter is not viable at all, even Hunter C1, i tried some skills and it not work correctly haha, my skills go on CD but my pet did nothing .

Just i can take my Hunter as more fun class because i like to manage my pet’s skills in the same time i manage mine .

But i read carefully all your posts, i understand the fact Hunter is very bad .

But what about Rogue ? I like the idea to play a Crit/Sneaky/Archer, but Backstab is melee and force you to play Crossbow+Dagger, right ?
Crossbow+off-had is better than 2handBow ?

hey, if you really want to play hunter+rogue, i suggest you go to the 2nd option you suggested though you need to redo some skill planning you did there.

qs1 albeit not that good, makes you effective against fellow archers if you wear shield, has stone shot for stun if your pet fails to lock on your targets with rush dog/coursing/retrieve

you can go w/ 1 rank in hunter which is good enough for holding your enemies if you max coursing or get c2 for retrieve and an uber long coursing

scout for obvious reasons i might say.

now for rogue, i still suggest you keep wearing shield, then place on swap your xbow+dagger so it auto switches for backstab. you will have to use your hunter skills or your qs skills to get backstab.

for stats, i dont really suggest going the str route for rogues (i know most rogues go str). youd be hit easily and since people are too geared nowadays, its either you have high hp or high evasion for those melee.

i warn you, this route, its very hard. you’d be lacking on lots of places just so you can land a good backstab. its rewarding when it hits though, trust me on that, but is freakishly hard.

i can also suggest you to replace 1 rank of hunter w/ ranger so you can have some feint+barrage burst in your arsenal other than relying on backstab damage. You can also try stopping at rogue c2.

again, this route is very hard

QS1 not so bad for PvP, even QS2 is ok. Rogue for PvP is also really strong, I know people who are running builds with Rogue at Rank8, but those people didn’t solo the grind at lvl 280+. So if it’s your first character and you have no one to play with you I highly recomend you to find a guild or just reroll your character and wait for a free Rank Reset.

The only good thing about Hunter is his Costume, so people who are playing Hunter is for the costume and nothing else, soz for you.

QS1 is not a bad choice. Pavise is very helpful when you are facing strong enemies. Shield mastery is not bad if you plan on equipping a shield as secondary weapon. Stone shot is a good alternative to oblique shot for early game, and your button to escape from fight when things are not going well. If all you want is utility, QS1 is a good filler rank. Not an easy one to play though.

Rogue is more of a bossing class, as it greatly boosts your damage when aiming enemies from behind. You better pick ranger for the feint+barrage combo. Rank 2 adds Lachymator to the pack, good for annoying and zoning enemies in Pvp. Rogue 3 is usually not worth it.

Scout 1 is a must have for pvp. Also worth for rushing dungeons.

Hello all, from all your posts, i understand Hunter is not an optimal choice for PvP, thank you for take time to answer to me guys .

So, i rerolled, actualy, i am ArcC2/HuntC2/, PvE is more Easy with Oblilque Shot and Multi Shot Lv10 .

But soon i will hit level 15for my Class, and i am lost about my next choice … I think about ArcherC3, HunterC3 or ScoutC1 :

Discovery of ToS is nice, the class system is really complex, i like it ! haha

the thing that is really good about Hunter C3 is the growling skill. Your companion will stay on its location and continuously growl, those caught or affected by it (a smal aoe around your pet) will be affected by fear which stops them from their tracks, thus almost every mob (excluding those cc immune mobs) after you lure them to your pet will be free to hit. with Hunter C3 you can play around with your classes a bit more. Hunter C3 is really good PVE wise, Hunter C1-C2 limits you to pvp in my opinion because of their single target CC

you can go
ar2>hunter3>fletcher3>mergen
ar2>hunter3>scout>musket >>>i was planning to do this build but i really like poison
ar2>hunter3>wugu2>mergen >>> i am using a similar build to this one

Circling + multishot is possible in pvp but it’s like really hard to see a setting in which it is useable. I’ve only been able to use it in pvp as a falconer c3, never was able as falconer c2. Reason? Aiming, increasing the hitbox of the enemies makes it really easy to land when the enemy’s camping at their base or when a dievbirby’s camping between statues.
Without aiming, the enemies never are close enough to make it worth it.

Hunter c3 only has growling (wish it had an attribute that did something already! like slow wallk with you or x7 defense pet values or sumthing), if you truly wish to use it on pvp though, rush dog should be your focus and for this you’ll need a TP pet.

Wait, I’m not great at this math thing but isn’t that rank er 10? no wait… 9! yes, 9.

Also, archer c3 has like no place for you, only thing I can think would be good is full draw but goinig archer c3 for that instant cast full draw doesn’t seem like a good investment overall.

Also last time I checked scout’s cloaking only got dispelled when you damaged anything, rush dog’s damage comes from the pet (like the pet’s stats, the pet’s doing the damage so you’re only involved in casting it) and it didn’t break cloaking, why would this be good? eh rush dog is physical damage so missile hole doesn’t do anything (all hunter’s skills are physical for that matter). {Is this still the case?}

Rush dog lv 15 with attribute lv 80 and a pet with 2k phys atk deals around 15k per rush dog every 5 seconds.

sorry there, i computed it wrong :frowning: but hunter>fletcher>mergen still viable if you would cut down on hunter or fletcher

a2-hu3-musk2 or a2-hu3-cannon2 for the SNES duck hunt roleplay.

Hey buddy, you wanna pvp while ok pve using a pet and rogue, right?

This build do work:

http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/va93cc20o0/

Make good use of your pets,
they can give you time to backstab everyone.
Hovering is very useful in pvp.

Go ~250 dex, ~rest str >>NO CON<<

Koochaksal can one shot: cloack>charge>kill
Hovering/rush dog/coursing/retrieve>ppl on the ground>backstab>kill

You can use circling+mergen to do aoe dmg pve

multishoot+circling only woth if you have falc c3, with expand atribute, so dont even charge. you will be better off using other skills.

You will have no aoe till rank 8, this is HARD.
but you will have mergen in your 28x till 330 (the worst part)
So…ok.

In pvp, you will rule.
Just don’t try going after the swords alone.
You will die.

You know, you will kind of an glass cannon assassin…
Play using mouse, or you will not land backstabs.

Hello guys

I am Rank 5 : ArcC2/HuntC2/SctC1, i am hesiting with RogC3 or FalC1+MuskC2, after all i read, FalC1+MuskC2 is very strong .


But i have to stay far from fight and try to make a Coursing+Circling+Snipe/Multishot Combo on the right target .
I will propably reroll because i put a lot of pts in CON, for a Musketeer, i should focus STR/DEX .

By the way, i think about another build and i want to know your opinion :


On the paper, it look nice :

  • Support/CC skills : Deploy Pavoise, Stone Shot, Scatter Caltrops, Coursing, Retrieve, Hounding, Capture and Lachrymator .
  • Damage skills : Running Shot, Rapid Fire, Vendetta & Backstab .

I can play both classes i “like”, Rogue and Hunter, with QSC3, and what i heard, QS is very strong in PvP .

But i have few questions :

  • Deploy Pavise, is it worth to up this skill more than lv1 ? Is the Bleed proc is great ? The Damage you make when you hit with the Pavise are nice ?
  • Scatter Caltrops Lv15 VS Stone Shot Lv15, wich one is better ? Stone Shot stun proc more often if it high level ?
  • Rogue C2 Backstab make enough damage ? Rogue is still good without Backstab Lv10 and Burrow ?

Thank you to all for your posts, it help me a lot to understand more about the meta in PvP and i can choose my classes in purpose .

Hi, I was reading this topic and if someone can help me I will be very thankful.

I’m making a c3 Hunter because I like animals XD. And reading this chat I see it’s not the best build for pvp, but I still want to try.

I’m archer2>Hunter3 at this moment and I don’t know where I go next.
I was thinking archer2>hunter3>wugu3 because I can use the hunter cc with my wugu poison. This build I think would be good for pve and pvp?
My second option is archer2>hunter3>Fletcher>Musk2 but I think this will be more focus in one single target.

In the end what I’m trying to do is use the Hunter CC with another damage, like the wugu poison or the fletcher bleeding, but I don’t know how it works. I’m using a STR, DEX> 50 con build.

Can someone say to me if this will work. I don’t want to get scout, I know is good to pvp, but I don’t want it.

Thanks. Sorry for the bad english.