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High3 vs Barb 3

well to be hones I doubt IMC will nerf 2hnd-Sword class now since we alrdy become minority

heck the most popular build in Korea is shield base

yeah, but they only need to make high level bosses have very high physical defense to make highlander c3 a must, and make some barb 3 ppl reroll for skull swing

or in my case, they could make kabbalist c3 the SPR class, while i’m a SPR plague doctor and i’m fcked. or they add a brand new SPR class to rank 9 (and as a plague doctor 2 i’m still fcked)

I’ve rerolled more than 10 times iirc. Maybe even more, and I still don’t have a max char yet. Highest I have right now is 255. lol
tbh, personally I’m not satisfied with how Doppel and Fencer performs. I prefer something more fast. still waiting for different stances and weapons (Dual Swords, Katana, Axe, Dual Dagger, Katars etc etc), maybe then I can choose one. assuming we’ll reach what they are planning to do (80 classes). anyway I’ll keep playing until something more interesting comes, however unbalanced the classes are here, I like the system.

nah this shouldn’t be the case. no one should be forced to take a class because of certain circumstances. this is like Pelt v2.

or they could add another 2h class with some bleeding interaction, just like they did with shock (crown)
and now ppl need highlander 2

this is more likely to happen than high defense bosses

no man, like I told you that shouldn’t be the case. you are now just being biased in Highlander class. no one should be forced to take a class. besides there are already three skills that can proc bleed: Thrust, Cross Cut and Keel Hauling.

EDIT: imo, it’s perfectly fine the way it is. both High and Barb can be 1/2/3 circles. You just have to find whats best for you.

hmm if you want to say like thats how about moving cleave slash bonus to be barb c2 attribute?

see my point here? its useless to talk about thing thats wont comming

high3 and barb3 both is really viable build

I dont know why you so bias to high3 and want to trash other build so much

got harsh bash by barb3 or smthing?

cus i played both and i saw the diference xD
thats why i want new players to avoid barb 3 o.o
if they want pve boss, of course xD
and help the party in missions, saluus, etc… anything with bosses

why tho? that isn’t for you to say, that should be the players choice. now I just see you are too biased with Highlander. why not just remove Barbarian tree from swordsman class eh?

Bosses can be situational. most of the time Highlanders got the advantage but for non bleedable bosses, I’ll take Barb. WBs are for Highlanders due to the fact that there is so much debuffs being applied that Vertical Slash becomes a beast.

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why just quote part of it.

there I bold that part for you. WBs aren’t the only PVE boss. You’ve got your Fedi mission bosses, Saalus, Instance Dungeons, ET.

Even barbs are good for WB if you got cryo-chrono with you.

full 10 target warcry all the time + Dov gives massive boost to your doppel skills.

lol, skull swing benefit your competitor when you’re doing WB
just like serpentine debuff
for WB, better go H2>barb2

Yes, and there are many -def resources, even cleric c1 has a strong stationary -def with deprotected zone.

but for WB vertical slash really does good damage since there are many fletchers

this is true. even on queued parties when I’m paired up High-Doppel variant, which is why most of the time I can outdps them (except again of course if a boss is bleedable) lol. Even Fencer’s Lunge I can benefit from. Imagine having Lunge-Cleave-Skullswing present in boss while I’m doing Pouncing.

Too much garbage posts from @Lenny to even quote. You’re that bad, that instead of improving 1 character and get a real opinion, you keep rerolling doppels to come on forums and say ā€œthis one’s badā€ that’s bad" ā€œavoid itā€. I highly doubt you will ever get a skill to 90 or 100% attribute and taste what it feels to have a high damage cause you will keep rerolling doppels.

@OP
Barbarian is great if you enjoy AoE stuff like Seism, with huge AoE range or Pouncing with 10 seconds channelling damage(Good for TBL). Frenzy and Warcry are additional stuff to improve your damage output.

Highlander is great as well if you like to spam skills in a relatively short cooldown on single targets/bosses + armor break (Skull swing).

Of course, you can pick these classes without picking doppel, like Corsair or Fencer.

Make sure to read non bias comments from people and do a little research on each class, watch some videos.

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Warcry lv 10 give you (30+lowest monster lv*0.1)*target + 30

so i would said around 600 damage with lv 270 mon 10 target

Frenzy give you 20+0.025per str at 300 str its 275 dmg (barb 3 alway use maintain stack attribute)

thats 875 dmg there in best case

its almost a free Transcend weapon Lv.5, thats how high its is

Edit: Since i only point barb strong point due to bias user,i will State Highlander advantage too for some future Doppel

Skyline is the best thing in highlander 400% scaling with 3 overheat on bleeding target and 15 sec cd is really great only downside is low hitbox

Crosscut bleeding debuff is really strong and scaling well due to 10 sec bleeding the problem is 28 sec cd is really pain, its make skyliner combo only possible for 6 time before crosscut go to cooldown

Skull swing is also good debuff removing armor of target for 30 sec is no joke the only downside is other party also got this bonus in worldboss

Vertical Slash is really strong after buff, the more debuff boss have the more damage its become so its ideal for WB

what more Highlander provide other good utility skill as crossguard/crown

so as i say High3 or barb3 both is viable and have pros and con just go with what you like dont make other brainwash you

this is the best from highlander
i dunno about vertical slash, or how much % you got from every debuff

its 30% now from 10%. so 5 debuffs already give you 150% increase. that along with the increase in base damage is what made it good.

ā–ŗ Vertical Slash
ā—‹ Skill Base Damage Increased 115 → 1218
ā—‹ Damage Increase per Skill Lv Increased 75 → 112.5
ā—‹ Damage dealt based on debuffs increased 10% → 30%

wow
in every WB, there’s always so many debuff
High3 sure deal massive damage on WB
its like a class of its own

yes that is why High would always outshine Barb in WB imo.