I’m sorry @Lenny but I have to disagree. I have a Barb Doppel (running on high dex and no DOV) and I still find myself being #1 even competing against High3 doppel variants. Both are very viable imo. It’s a matter of preference.
But like you said
this is very true, OP has to work double since swordsman really need high enhanced weapons and high attributes.
I’ve been dreaming about this ever since. I wonder why won’t they do it, you can do it with Cata’s Rush. Why not Doppel. 
Dont forget about Vertical Slash. Last week I dealt 58K in a single charge against a Mineloader WB (plate armor type).
He’s saying that arrogant line almost every thread asking for this.
the only real damage skill on barb3 is pouncing, the rest are actually utility if you are playing your barb right, in short someone here doesn’t actually know how barb works saying he has “tested” barb and all but actually hasn’t…
i find the utility skills such as frenzy and warcry great, great utility and additions to the doppel build rather than overloading yourself with rank 2 skils, your rank 8 skills will do more damage.
Great build imo.
i only play since CBT…
and i HAVE tested both barb 3 and high 3…(only high 3 to high level tho)
i even tested sword3>corsair>doppel for pvp…
@migzzz
i know both can work, but high 3 is stronger than barb 3 in boss fights, thats a fact. while barb is way better for mobbing
-skull swing adds A LOT to dmg, even more with R8 cus doppel get 8 hits on zucken, 4 on zornhau and 14 on redel (and these are real multihits, the only fake ones are the new skills)
-crown + rhevisan or ice set can make u face tank world bosses
my doppel crown reduce 1k+ magic dmg from bosses (scales with level and STR), now add 70% resistance + ur own magic def + flat dark/ice def and u will take A LOT less dmg
-Vertical slash, as @MattBR already posted, can hit HARD
-and finally, skyliner + crosscut, 100% bonus dmg is A LOT. if u line up with cleave + the new debuff u can get BIG hits on this (theres a video of a guy hiting 125k with this combo, but his weapon is 2k dmg, buuut this dmg is not that hard to get with R8 new gear)
i’m not saying barb 3 is bad, i know how good pouncing is, and the buffs too. but both buffs does not increase with DOV and DOV is a BIG part of doppel dmg. now with R8, 15 DOV is a must if u want to achiev those 75k+ cyclones
It does,
and this is the problem. I can show you a screenshot now if you want to be satisfied.
also with the guy doing 125k skyliner, try doing that with the same gear on pouncing, you should do around 50k± per hit with 33 hits.
not to mention cleave on a stunned enemy (considering barb got 2 stunning skills with 2 overheat and considerably medium CD)
no u can’t, cus he line up 4 debuffs for 4 secs, thats enough time to use all skyliner overheats + redel or zucken. after thoses 4 secs u would go back to the 10-15k hits while the other guy did a tone of dmg and are now switching to other skills. and now u have to wait 80+ secs while the other guy can repeat in less than 30 secs
the big deal here is the 100% bonus of skyliner +50% from cleave +50% from new debuff +50% from crit + skull swing + DOV[quote=“Lostac, post:29, topic:329018, full:true”]
See? You don’t even know barb.
You can already do 10k pouncing EASILY right now, what more if I get the same gear as him?
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ok lets say he hits double, 20k. u still have all the other skills to use like moulinet and vertical slash. and u still have a lower cooldown for all high skills (15 sec for skyliner, cmon…)
pouncing is strong, but long cooldown and 10 secs cast still make high skills better
i know ppl have barb 3 and want it to be the best for everything, but its not better than high 3 for bossing. like high 3 is not better than barb 3 for mobbing and pvp.
See? You don’t even know barb.
You can already do 10k pouncing EASILY right now, what more if I get the same gear as him?
This combo is nice, but the stun chance isn’t 100% and doesn’t affect bosses =/
that’s true, for bossing damage you got frenzy and warcry, combined with DoV since you don’t switch targets when you boss that seems great imo.
400+150% from DoV is a great scaling, pretty good on dex builds too.
This type of utility is going to make the doppel skills stronger.
That’s synergy is true. In my case my playstyle is different. I have DOV at lvl 10, but I prefer to spam my skills and avoid some damage instead of keep hitting and increase my stacks. Perhaps that’s the main factor when we choose between HL and Barb (or maybe the clothes?).
I can’t show my higher level doppel now, it has no DOV
DOV Level 4, Frenzy level 10 with attribute on
My frenzy is +25 per hit
Base max : 942
base max + Frenzy 10 with attribute : 1192 / bonus PA = 250
base max + Dov 4 : 1238 / bonus damage : 296
base max+ Frenzy 10 + Dov 4 : 1588 / bonus PA 250 + 396
See how Level 4 DOV becomes 296 to 396?
250 + (250x0.4) = 350.
It goes up with DOV.
yeah i was confirming this now too xD
but it does not change what i said
its a fact, theres no real discussion about it
Yes, you dug your grave from the start on why people including myself are
hating on you because [quote=“Lenny, post:2, topic:329018”]
theres no classic barb3
theres the right high3>barb1>doppel
and nothing else
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so much bias in such a short line
for bossing I already have my fencer.
yup it depends on what you like
highlander is more skills to spam and debuff stacking
where as barbarian is more utility type play style.
In any case if i were to go doppel i would do highlander c1 anyway for crown, (another crown debuff for zucken or w/e that skill is that need shock damage)
highlander 3 is strong and no one is doubting that, but it doesn’t mean that barb 3 has absolutely no use as well.
oh, true, now i saw how stupid that was. already edited
i’m just kinda sick of all these barb 3 or high 3 threads all the time, and that hapened o.o
well no one here is denying High3 is better for bossing than Barb3, but Barb3 isn’t by far weak, it can hold on its own. I’ve been #1 a couple of times now on Saalus/Mission runs (and that is with Fletchers spamming MA, and I don’t even use DoV). A player just has to find a playstyle that suits him and build from there, which goes all the way back to matter of preference.
both choices are good. for OP: don’t go for what is strongest, go for what you are comfortable and having fun playing with. I mean no way of knowing what IMC is planning, they may nerf/buff High or Barb, or heck even both. then you’re gonna be one of the people complaining because it isn’t strong as it used to be.
just play what you want to play.
I still hold my stand with this
High3 better with bleedable boss but fall off with unbleed boss
when PVE high3 will run out of rotation faster than barb especially high1barb3 (barb got shorter cd and can spam without think unlike high3 you really dont want to throw Crosscut on mob since cd is a pain)
Utility from Barb is only boost damage while high is better for debuff (crown,Armor break, Bleed) and crossguard is good if you got pierce dmg user (its improve 100% dmg for 8 sec)
High3 Will surely out damage Boss only on BLEEDABLE boss if not its depend on gear and debuff on boss
in the end this is the truth, IMC can make hundreds of players reroll when they feel like it.
but if i reroll again ill quit, for good =)
(i already played 5 chars that got IMCed and now i’m rerolling for the last time, i even sent a PM to staff asking if they could tell me something about R9, now i’m here, praying xD )
