By the way…
Anyone here have thought about Ar2-Qs3-Ran1-Fal1-Hak1 ?
That might ended Qs vs Ran dilemma pretty good for Hakkapelle build since you’ll has both Running Shot for single target arrow stacking and Barrage for AoE arrow stacking. (Despite Barrage does not has visual arrow stuck on your target, it does stack though)
Circling + Lv10 Multi Shot for massive AoE Arrow Stacking then proceed to do Storm Bolt + Skarphuggning combo might do the job in PvE though.
In a dilemma currently too, rolling a QS3->Wugu3 for hackapell… now currently on R6 wugu2. Thinking should I just keep Wugu2 and go for Ranger1 at rank7 instead.
Ranger1 for barrage arrow stacking while QS3 + Poisons will work while Hackapell’s skills are on CD, what do you all think about this?
Your build is focused on single-target since running shot + wugu = mainly single target damage (you won’t be able to Throw Gu Pot on mount).
You could get ranger for some AoE, or stick to high single target and finish wugu3.
Ranger will only offer barrage, since steady aim boosts [missile] damage. Hakkapalle skills are not [missile] but melee - physical. The Hakka sword skills Sharkhugging & Thundebrolt are slash & pierce and will benefit from swordman debuffs on the boss, debuffs such as barbarian cleave, fencer attacks, hoplite spear lunge, and especially r8 dragoon2 serpentine. +100% melee damage.
Does Spiral Arrow stack 1 or 5 arrows?
This is important when thinking about if ranger 3 would be optimal for Hakka
ranger is kind of waste for hakka，cuz the most important skill-steady shot only affects missile-type attack. I think ranger c1 is enough for hakka，just go for barrage
I haven’t read what everyone else has responded previously (thread got too long), but I’m thinking the following two builds could work well:
A1 qs3 fletch3
A2 qs3 fletch2
A1 qs3 wugu3
A2 qs3 wugu2
These are pvp builds by the way. Thoughts on possible cons?
@greyhiem Thanks for the feedback. I realised despite wugu having throw gu pot, it is mainly built for single target. The primary purpose of wugu is to fire and forget, so that the player can maximise his/her time to use other skills such as running shot.
Will need some form of aoe stacking so that hackapell can do more hits on multiple mobs. Ranger’s high anchoring also +1 arrow stack to all mobs it hits? If it does it adds another skill to help in arrow stacking, only downside is it needs time to charge.
What other c1 circles can I take to get more arrow stacks with a qs3>wugu2 build so I can transition to hackapell?
@Mordhau
Interesting build there. What would the rotation be like?
Sometimes I’m thinking, if for single target arrow stacking why is QS3 needed? We can just hackapell charge->rogue1 feint->ranger barrage-> instant 10 stacks?
Thanks to the point raised by @Mordhau and @Nekorin.
Since the unique skill of Hakkapalle depends a lot on numbers of arrow on enemy, anybody know how long (in seconds) the arrows are actually counted as “stuck” on enemy? For example, does the time of stuck arrows from [Barrage] and Auto-attack differ? Personally, this will impact a lot for designing the skill rotation and hence the class build.
I’m rerolling my qs3wugu2 archer, the more I think about it the harder I find it is to weave wugu2/3 into hackapell build. It has no other synergy at all besides allows the archer to utilise running shot more often while the poison works its magic.
Thinking of also dropping the thought of QS3 in hackapell pve build. QS3 the only benefit it brings is running shot which
With QS3 out of consideration, we have more circles to throw into ranger/archer for the early 4-5 circles. Ranger is either a 1 or 3 class, so it will be either
Hmmm… is fletcher2 good? or need fletcher3 only to perform?
QS3 in my opinion, is incredibly overrated, even for a Hakapelle build, that’s all I will say.
In addition to my current A3-Ranger3-Falcon-Hakapelle to be, I am also considering the possibility of an Archer3-Scout3 build to go into Hakapelle for the purpose of Split/Twin Arrow and max multi shot/Swift Step as suggested to be by @nery_ma above . What would be a good Rank 7 filler for that? Musk and Cannon are obviously out of the way, SR C1 is crap so I am guessing Rogue C1 or even Ranger C1 just for the lulz?
i m going QS3 Wugushi 3 Hakkapelle route
i have a Ranger Rogue already
and since Feint still dismount you, i m not going Rogue 2/3 either
Fletcher3 actually seem fitting quite well, but i found it very boring
alternatively i found the possibility of A2 QS3 SR2 Hakkapelle, but SR3 seem too good to skip
if i m taking ranger, i will pick A2>R1>Scout3>hakkapelle
Steady aim is not very useful on hakkapelle but barrage could easily stack the debuff, A2 give crit rate, and Scout 3 still could use Flu Flu for CC, Flare Shot as AOE and Split Arrow as semi AOE/main dmg filler when hakkapelle skill in CD
Spiral arrow is a fake multi shot (it only hits once, but has the animation of 6 attacks) so I’d bet it only stacks one arrow
honestly, i cant see a wugushi 3 not going for mergen. specially for wu gong gu + arrow rain, zhendu + homing arrow and stuff like that
here a vid of hacka skills
and here is a vid with mergen as a bonus.
if you are looking for the best for Wugushi, yes Mergen is the right choice
but i m taking hakkapelle at my ultimate goal, and try to fill up the middle
if you ask me, i really dont see any good build for hakkapelle atm
with only Archer 1-3, Ranger 1-3 and Fletcher 1-3 have no restriction on mount
however, Ranger dmg fall off pretty quick without Feint at later rank
Fletcher couldnt stack debuff as quick as Ranger or QS3, unless Magic arrow count as multihit and stack 1 arrow/hit
Although Rogue can mount and use backstab, but losing the karacha set bonus…
well, if skills only count as 1 arrow… why dont you go for archer 2> qs 3> rogue?
From my comment on the Hakka video
Skarphuggnig looks like it’s just a shitty damage multiplier with fake multihits like the Doppel “additional hits” attributes. You can see the normal 2-hit skarphuggning does about 6,000 damage at 3,000 per hit, while the fully stacked multi-hit version only does 10,000, hitting for about 1,000 each line. So, considering the additional lines only start at 2 stacks, 5 stacks = about +60% damage or 15% bonus damage per arrow after the first, split into extra lines that are just cosmetic. Meaning +90% damage at a full 7 stacks with the entire stormbolt -> missile hits -> skarphuggning combo. That’s really terrible damage, I wish IMC wouldn’t make so many skills fake multihits, it’s misleading and often makes things underpowered. Hakkapalle is even more underwhelming than I thought.
This is really disheartening. Fake multihits in this game need to be removed so skills can be accurately assessed and balanced.
After creating a QS3Wugu2 up till 180 just for Hackapell… I find that the QS3Wugu ‘package’ isn’t really that good for hackapells at all.
The build is too single target to take advantage of hackapell’s multi-enemy melee attacks.
In our arsenal, we only have running shot, multishot lv5, oblique shot, rapid fire to stack arrows. Amongst all these, only multishot and oblique shot can stack on multiple enemies per cast. We will have a problem if we want to deal multiple hits on multiple enemies with hackapell.
Seems like magic arrow does add stack count too…
@SlyGoat from this video… it doesn’t seem that Skarphuggning is a fake multihit hmm…
It is a fake multi-hit, only +10% damage per stack.
@Reilet has helped me confirm.
I will edit post soon once I find his post again…
He calculated the damage per vid and it was +10% damage per arrow stack.
Found it:
Hakkapalle test: https://youtu.be/JCj_7-Yu5aY257
A: https://youtu.be/EINKq5w6vYc210
B: https://youtu.be/YIEqyKUHJMA123
C: https://youtu.be/gIEJLpqQhDo100
D: https://youtu.be/Z3VwjHeHJpg99
E: https://youtu.be/KomlcNxepWc103
That is really bad… the E video especially. 
Sadly fake multi-hits are ruining classes, and hakkapalle uses fake multi-hits.