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[Guide] Top DPS 2hander Doppel Swordsman Build

Class and Rank Swordsman
#172

Only retards charge their Cartar Stroke for 5 sec, do you even know 0.5 sec charge gives 4 STRIKES too? the exact same as full 5 sec charge? all are 4 hits, do you know how Warlock Meteor works? its the same applies to Cartar Stroke, please do some research on how to use “Cartar Stroke” before you talk, this skill also is a plate killer.

Crown you can combo with zucken? srsly? ur going to waste the entire Crown animation just to Zucken after that? I dun even wanna point out that Zucken only get raised damage off Zornhau, Crown doesnt do anything to it, is the same as Sissel doesnt proc from barbarian frenzy skill…I seriously in doubt you know how to play this game. Taunt is not needed in ET most of the time, everyone has high HP, look at the video of my party members, every1 of them is 45k while i m trying to keep my HP in check with 30k while not losing DPS.

Post a video of your equipments and attributes and ET conquer before we talk even further, u r all theory and has no actual experiences.

#173

Nice, just get lost from this thread buddy, u came here to advertise Peltasta and trying to call out actual DPS build a joke, rlly? read the thread title, its TOP DPS 2 hander, not hybrid off tank Peltasta, and u just fail at justifying Peltasta is useful in ET, is a give or take TBH, evidence is right out there, ppl reached up without Swordsmen Tank, to keep up, u need to put more effort as a swordsman with higher AoE DPS from Doppel, not Peltasta…

#174

I saw your vid. There we can see how useless you was. Lol, runing around with no propous.

#175

Thats the point, loosing 2% damage don’t make you a good dps.
Sorry but this is far way from top dps.

#176

That word alone It just shows u never passed 1st floor of ET, nuff said.

#177

Perhaps :wink:
There is a thread show how critical works. You can go there to learn something :wink:

#178

At least i m higher than your Dragoon DPS, i dun even know why r u here in 2 hander sword DPS thread when all u talks about is not contributing to making 2 hander sword stronger but to look down on others who built DPS and trying hard to be on the same lvl to enjoy end game content, ppl like u r the ones who make alot of swordsman quit.

#179

Speas are away better them swords.
Yes, I have a doppel and I knoow how it works. I have my 2 feet on the ground I’m not a dreammer.

#180

Wow, u need to GTFO from this thread, because its not where u should be bro.

#181

People goes crazy when run out of arguments and face the truth. :wink:

#182

I quote why u r spurting nonsense and is just all theory and have no actual experiences as contributing DPS as sword

  • u wrote Spears are way better than Swords
  • u wrote Cartar Stroke need to charge for 5 sec
  • u undervalue the 50% crit atk from highlander
  • u ask ppl to take peltasta just so they are accepted in a party and unable to justify it when most pt who made it to 10f doesnt need a swash buckling tank
  • u dun have evidence of your character status, lvl, equipment, info, or video of u at least passing 1st floor of ET to back ur theory up
  • every reply u response literally trying to taunt ppl
  • u got brainwashed and pressured into taking peltasta and now ur one of those ppl, trying to giv nonsense information to other sword to take peltasta else nobody wants u in the game, when the truth is highlander is the actual r2 rank needed for doppel to get high crit atk aka dps path
#183

Yes, spears are better than swords all community knows that
Where I said charging cartar stroke for 5 seg?
You don’t know how that works.
I’m not saying people to get pelt, only saying pelt is away better them high1(check previous posts)
Again! Perhaps
You are like Jon Snow, know nothing.

#184

So, we can be a situational lure?
Getting strike skills means nothing, because:
If you’re there because you’re a pelt, you’re not there for the damage
Effectively using said skills demands a weapon on the level of the raid, which is really out of the way for several builds
Extra Hp is easily offset in ET.

The timer is a good point, if you assume that using a rank, to get a skill which is only really needed if a player mess up (and that’s not how you build raid teams, we build them expecting perfect teamwork to maximize resources), is something good.

With HL, you get a bleeding, a armor break, a massive int reduction in monsters, meaning, overall, more damage for the whole party.

People don’t take swordsman because there’s nothing really special we can do in battle. Swash is a not really necessity.

I won’t write off the guardian atribute tho, i seriously thought about peltasta because it wold work very well(that single atribute) with my class choices.

Overall, in this post build, pelt is a bad choice. A really bad one. It brings nothing to the whole point of the build.

#185

prove it, dont just use all talk, where is your video passing ET 1st floor since ur so good at sword, i m sure ppl are interested u r being carried or u r one of the aoe dps so called.

I already showed my video of passing earth tower 1st floor, i can also show my weapon, +8 magi two-handed, dual 5 star crit stone, highest awakening stats and the best one crit +20
http://i.imgur.com/iZSrBBm.png
The other equipments are Grynas Set, Sissel Bracelet, Max Petamion, good phy/crit headgears and 70 skill attribute for Cyclone now, 50 for Cartar Stroke, 30 to 40 for all the other filler skills.

I am doing hell lots of critical with base physical dmg of 2800-3000 when deeds are MAXED out alongside 1 hour lvl 15 weapon buff, the Highlander +50% crit attack stats is boosting my DMG by a ton, and i mean a ton, my crit attack exceed 1000 now and that is a biff different, anyone with common sense can calculate each cyclone 30 hits, at least 1/3 of them going to be crits and how much 2 charges of cyclone before having cooldown reduced by Chrono/Krivis can do, people are literally paying and spending zillions to ++ their weapon just to get more 50-100 flat damage, because it will make a different in multihit skills, and is a huge different, and getting more 50% flat dmg from CRIT is GODLIKE and such a good deal.

If you are going to claim this char has no AoE DPS to match, ur basically the jokes of Swordsman. (and please, looking at my “SKILL SHOWCAST” video doesnt mean i m showing u the DPS i can pump out, its a SKILL SHOWCAST my dear.)

I have Highlander in my path and being a Doppel C2 was never so good that I thank god that I didn’t wasted my highlander rank for Peltasta, true peltasta will give me EASY GAME since i ill get invited to more “grinding party” by ignorant people (i made it to 280 ignoring all those retards, and actually carried them in maven abbey last map while grinding), but in real end game content, its going to hurt my DPS, for real, and Peltasta c1 is just for show and just to give in to all those that mocked swordsman, dont embarassed yourselve infront of a real Pelt 3 please…

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#186

Thanks, this is exactly my point.

People do take Doppel if the Doppel can do rlly rlly good DPS in his AOE (need to invest awhole lot on weapons and buffs and attributes 70 on cyclone min), high crits attack is needed thats why the Highlander C1 +50% crit attack.

And trust me, Doppel can, they hit way hard if there is Stone Skin or Healing Factor especially.

#187

Please guys dont listen to some guy here ask u to take Peltasta to be situational lurer or taunter (which is not needed in most case, evidence is out there on tons of videos and teams clearing without 1) and sacrificed the DPS path just for level or beg to get a spot in pt.

Such a joke that he even claim to have 5 swordsman, all of the character proabably failed and wrongly built and maybe thats why he have 5, and none made it to top with good eqp and actually contributing AoE dps with high crits on Cyclone

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#188


Sharing stats and what attack you should be getting if u followed the DPS path with good equipment while maintaining enough HP for PvP, GvG, Earth Tower etc

#189

I think Akisera’s points are valid and his/her videos give insight on where TH sword users stand and what can help them accel.

Damage is damage, sometimes one form is better than another due to resistances or if it can actually hit the mob (flying and ground targeted circles). If a party can get away with substituting a person who can do more damage or for a class build that the party is more used to playing with then that will occur. Also clerics are swordsmans best friend but to really get the most out of the cleric tree’s dex buffing abilities they have to be SPR clerics. The meta is INT clerics for magic damage from derb, pd, druid, etc. Maybe there will be a push for SPR clerics when the spr scaling on priest buff patch comes.

The str high barb dopp needs so much effort to overcome the critical rate formula. Double sissel costs over 15,000,000, max penta or terrallion for dex also has very high cost, and being forced to use a 170 sword instead because the game developers did not give crit chance to available 220 swords and 270 is absent. Awaken crit rate seems mind blowing, I pray the game developers automatically program all sword awakenings to be crit rate.

It is great that Akisera shows an example of how an end game dopp should customize their final build; use all resources and time to get crit rate. But given the rarity of things like sissel, dex necklaces and crit awaken magi you can’t expect the majority of two handed sword user to be at that power level.

What is the swordsman situation? The sample can not be from only the top elite. Same as trying to grasp the situation of the poor in a country by only looking at the one who hit the lottery at some point in the history of your nation. Young Swordsman you will fine, first have good server connection, grind a million exp, then get a sissel, get another sissel, get a pentamon, and then get a magi. That’s not a normal progression that can recommended for the majority.

My above writing is just about the way things are, next is how things could be.
Legendary equipment with the right build should make a character godlike. Tree of savior should program enough ways into its very battle system for all character classes to show transcendent micro control and skill that overcomes some amount of level/item differences. We should be able to see out in the world map, streams or YouTube, players who inspire with the way they fight individually and as teams.
Tree of savior should still emphasize the sum is greater then individual parts that make up a party.
With that in mind, imc workers should thinking, what creative ways can swordsman gameplay and builds be tinkered to put them in a better spot individually and in parties?

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#190

the thing is, is not like every char has it easy either.

In my server varena not every1 can hit earth tower, including the ele3 warlock lvl 280.

if u use F4 and search for me, I am actually ranked rlly high at 7/8 and 12 for earth tower mobs killed (i think i have a screenshot somewhere), showing me that i m the only swordsmen doing earth tower right now (because kills are shared among party) and only 2-3 parties are able to do earth tower, despite the servers have alot of ele3 warlock and other dps classes.

The other classes doesnt have it easy either, its not like u will become a good dps just cause u dont play swords and played ele3 warlock

Check on the screenshots of earth tower mobs ranking, I m actually on
Kill ranking 12, DPS ranking 8/17 for both earth tower monster 1f…

My highest dmg registered in 1 skill for both are
Cartar Stroke - doing 18,413 to Hogma Warrior
Cleave - doing 25,436 to Hogma Shaman


What does this say?? It doesn’t mean Swords are weak and it also doesnt mean other jobs have it easy, people are failing earth tower 1F despite they are playing OP jobs, sometimes other then equipment, there is alot of things that matters too (example alot of dps swords ignoring cartar stroke lvl 1, my cartar stroke is raised to 50 attributes and always use at 0.5 sec charge time, its a 4 hit STRIKE)

So my point is, every1 needs to work for it to enjoy end game content, TOS is not a game where u progress to a certain part u will be spoonfed automatically, thats just not how Korean MMORPG works, u need to work for it, just like the real world.

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#191

unfortunately that is the normal progression, grind and get ur eqp and raise ur attribute and challenge the last boss - earth tower.

this is not an rpg casual first person story mode, but korean mmorpg, it is also why people compete for it, there is a way to fix all these, ignore the fact that ur weak and just enjoy the community but avoid complaining about it while one does not work for it, it works.

but if one does not want to work for it and in the same time want it easy, is just not mmorpg anymore…lol, for me the one that couldn’t fight for it or put more effort into being better does not deserve it.

I admit that swords is in a bad position right now with the population decreasing at higher lvl and none existence almost, it just shows Swordsman are “expert” mode, if ur one of them than congratulation, u deserve to be in the spot ur in due to ur hard work and persistent all the way, swordsman will be brighter with u.

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