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Guide to Fencer / Doppel / Bullet Marker [PVE]

Class and Rank Swordsman
#2241

Which would be better in the long run: Venier or Spada?

#2242

Venier.
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/20Veniers.

#2243

May I ask why?

I thought Transcend scales with the weapons base damage and if that is the case wouldn’t it be better to use spada before you get lolopanther rapier?

#2244

Just ask yourself if getting those new high dmg skills at lvl7 is worth or you just want a bit more Physical attack

Just wait until you get lolo rapier and then transcend that one

#2245

I did ask myself and still not sure if the +2 on those skills outweighs the max transcend of the weapon?

Has anyone done any calculations?

#2247


Same conclusion

  • Low skill damage growth : Spada
  • High skill damage growth : Venier

Edit :
Should calculate for your own stats as result may vary, the formula is :
(Crit%*(PAtk + Skill)X + (1 - Crit%)(PAtk + Skill)) + Crit Atk + Ele Atk
Where X is critical modifier from Epee

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#2248

Let me actually do more actual damage calculation. I might be sadly mistaken.

Edit: not letting me upload smh. But TL:DR skills like composse and other skills that have less skill damage than that, spada wins. R8 skills = venier.

#2249

I do 130 with 7 characters, keep doing it because that’s the dungeon where it’s easy to find people wanting to rush with anyone.

also only that + 190 gives 2 boxes, so you don’t have any better choice. farming low level wb with cheap reroll like abomination also works but I don’t wanna waste debuff for those

#2250

Did you calculate with the damage amplification crits from the new stance? I think we’re going to fall into a QS + Grand Cross / Didel scenario, but in this case Venier/Lolopanther.

#2251

If +15 and level 10 transcendence (550% damage)
Actual damage on skills venier:
Level 7 Balestra: 2.9 (10202 +1534.5) + 286 = 34321.85
Level 7 Attaque au fer: 2.9 (8788 +1534.5) + 286 = 30221.25
Level 7 Fleche: 2.9 ( 3051 + 1534.5) + 286 = 13583.95
Level 12 Composse: 2.9 ( 1300 + 1534.5) + 286 = 8506.05

Actual damage on spada:
Level 5 Balestra : 2.5 (8635 + 2812.5) = 28618.8
Level 5 Au Fer 2.5 (7420 + 2812.5) = 25581.3
Level 5 Fleche 2.5 (2543 + 2812.5) 13388.8
Level 10 Composse 2.5 (1143 +2812.5) = 9888.8

#2252

I heard mole lasts only 4-5 seconds, could you try equipping it at level 1 so you could remove freely after tests?

also, I mentioned it here before:
ellaganos
centaurus
reaverpede
pyroego
glass mole
gazing golem
dullahan

reaverpede seems to be more consistent, but of course it doesn’t work on bosses

#2253

much appreciated !

/20chars

#2254

Someone found these vids of Doppel (c/o @Lenny)

http://blog.naver.com/king_sop/220792022834

http://blog.naver.com/king_sop/220792027332

http://blog.naver.com/king_sop/220792028193

The 1st one was without DoV. The next 2 was with level 10 DoV. I changed my mind and planning on continuing my Doppel. I really can’t stand Rapier’s durability (don’t like carrying 2 weapons 'cause it’s giving me some kind of OCD). I’m dropping DoV in favor of survivability over glass cannon burst. Maybe if they fixed Rapier’s durability, I’ll make one, for me it doesn’t make sense for it to be that low. I like Fencer’s style but the issue with the durability is really turning me off.

BTW, is it confirmed that Fleche doesn’t have attribute level? It’ll seem like Venier and Lolo Rapier will be the best weapons with those +2 skills (lvl 7 Epee Garde is just awesome)

Last thing, any other confirmed armors exclusive for Swordsman?
I know these two exists in Tels :


Anybody can confirm if these exists already:


EDIT : Ohgmar and Demonas gives the same stat, so they might be the same.

#2255

The armors can be helpful =)

i alredy saw those vids xD
theres another one too:

http://blog.naver.com/king_sop/220792576572

hope this one help u decide about playing doppel

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#2256

Yeah idk how realistic level 10 transcendence though but I find level 5 transcendence and +15, venier is better than spada even on composse.

@Lostac I heard it’s 10 secs from a lot of people.

Edit: i can test it later. I have one myself.

#2257

Thanks for the vid! :slight_smile:
I was planning on High Dex Doppel, good to see one in action.

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#2258

Greytis confirmed to exist, they’re quite good actually if you use plate

edit: oh nvm you confirmed it yourself lol

#2259

Was planning on going full Leather but since it seems that they are releasing plate exclusive armors for swordsman, might as well make full use of it.

#2260

Yeah using that plate graves+grynas top/bottom+roxona plate gauntlets seems to be a good idea

however you need to make sure to enhance it and put high level gems to cover evasion

edit: lv 7 green gem only gives 32 evasion, that’s quite sad
you lose leather boots evasion + leather evasion bonus

#2261

Is there confirmation on whether Epee Stance can go beyond lvl 5 w/ Venier/Divine Might etc? I feel that this would influence weapon choices more than anything else (as far as phy weapons vs Venier for transcendence is concerned).

One thing to note is that the fencer forgot to re-cast Epee after Spear Lunge>swap to rapier for the Prep-Stabbing combo at the start, so she would’ve done 30k crits instead of only 15k.

I’m still of the opinion that Hop1 is a viable early circle to take just for stabbing alone, since it works well with Prep. Hop2 looks clunky as seen in the video, as spear lunge’s debuff only lasts for 5s (and you still have to swap to rapier + recast Epee before your burst).