You can always try my experimental build if you wanna yolo.
Potentially, this is how it goes but I took pelt 1 for safety reasons to test it out in high lvl.
Me spamming composse.
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Answering my own question: Restrain is good on Fencer. Just found one in TBL and he spammed Flanconnade to avoid my attacks and stun/slow me. He didn’t have high burst damage (he took around 40% of my HP, ~9k) so I could get out once Restrain didn’t proc and he didn’t have Iron Hook to lock me in place. I believe Fleche gives us the same burst we are used to get with Hexen Dropper.
What build can I follow actually at rank 8 for Pve if I want Dragoon or fencer?
Tu for reply 
the one who does datamining on the ktos thread have said that we will have close to 330 exp cards from the new quests, and the exp given by those cards would be close to 550million exp, where for the entire rank8 class we only need 696million, so if he had done all the quests, it would be fair easy to reach class 12.
barb3 was always a not so nice choice, but right now at least it is in better terms, because of the new buff from warcry and of course, the stuns.
at least i believe that right now with rank8, barb is better for fencer than highlander since the stance does not work with slash atks.
but again fencer3 have become a standalone class, where you only “need” fencers for damage and so on, there is not point in taking earlier ranks for damage now.
can you tell me where did you drop the ellaganos card?
the database does not have the map of the monster/boss.
@Palazzo
link for the new manahas set and many new items that have come with the new patch.
the translation have been done by a guy on the ktos thread.
Ellaganos WB, it cycles on Videntis>Mokusul>Videntis>so on
Sorry for late reply.
Mounted classes are not my specialty, so I’m going to redirect you to topics with those who are.
I’ll hide it because it is off-topic.
[details= Concerning Catas]
The first is yet to be updated, but still a good reference.
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/lancer-the-cataphract-v2/321922[/details]
[details=Now, concerning Goons]. I don’t have late game experience with spears, so try to read some Cathexis guide as well. But if you won’t be mounted, I believe the formula will be at least two ranks on Hoplite.
Now, the options are to fit your gameplay style. If you are to focus on STR, I thing two ranks on Swordsman at least will be necessary for the extra Pain Barrier (because you will be knocked a lot and you need some cover while spear-casting-aka-stabbing). You can take pelt if you prefer a DEX focused build.
The other part is pretty much a filler as far as I know. It can be ether the mixed with Corsair (might be better with STR build, but it work with the pelta way).
You can also take Cata, this class actually is usefull even with only one rank, but I advise taking as much circles as possible.
Though you can neglect peltasta and make something like SW3>Hop3>Goon2 (which is something that I would do for fun), try to consider taking it. Peltasta might get its adjustments and still be a heck useful class for ya.[/details]
Now, onto Fencers. Like I said, we are pretty much confused what build is better, however, the safest bet seems to be a balance between these classes: Highlander, Barbarian, Corsair.
The logic here is, Fencer is so self-sufficient in damage dealing, that you just need a way of supporting it. And those 3 classes do it very well. Highlander is the only one I advise taking at least two circles, in the case of taking it. The others can be reduced to one (though corsair is one anyway)
Peltasta with its future adjustments is still a safe bet, so you might consider it as well.
Swordsman is almost being sufficient, but it still lacks.
So, the two builds that I conclude from what I read is:
SWx>Highx>Barbx>Cors1>Fencer3 for DPS focus.
SWx>Pelt>?>Fencer3 for Utility focus with ? being the balance of your choice, maybe focusing more on Highlander and Corsair.
Sorry if it’s still confusing. There are lot of uncertainties yet.
Veterans @Lostac @hienng1991 @Palazzo @Proxied feel free to correct anything.
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Highlander3 is probably the best bet for support with the 100% defense debuff that lasts literally forever.
I shouldn’t have taken coffee last night. Couldn’t sleep a wink.
Anyway, I believe Lostac recapped pre-Fencer class choice a few posts ago but I can’t find it. So I will do my own recap:
Top choices:
- Pelt: Basic choice and everyone knows about it. Guardian + Swash
- Highlander: This class is mostly about Slash damage and debuffs. Circle 2 is suggested if anyone wish to take HL for Slash burst. Circle 3 is not desirable due to Coquille and Skull Swing don’t stack.
- Barb: This class provides many useful stuffs for Fencer. From Stun, AOE stun to pAtk. Probably the best choice to take for Fencer. I recommend taking at least 1 circle of Barb in any Fencer build.
- Corsair: Flag, Hook and Dust Devil. Due to R8, no more than 1 circle of Corsair can fit in Fencer build. This class provides even better disables thanks to Hook and Dust Devil. Flag is just great for field farming and it can nullify some attacks. Sadly, the damage this class provides is meh at best.
Big no no:
- Hoplite: No you won’t waste an entire rank just for 1 skill - aka Stabbing. Try to beg IMC to change Finestra to compatible with Pierce weapons then we can talk.
- Rode: Murmillo, enough said. Still decent for PvP though, where you will want to knock the coward Priest out of his Safety Zone. Credit @danielnito007.
- Cata: Fencer skills can’t be used while mounting. I believe plenty of people do say so.
- Squire: Used to be a candidate just to fix your toothpick … Eh Rapier. Now people just bring several rapiers with them.
Uncertain:
Sword3: You will take Sw3 for these things: Pain Barrier, Restrain and Concentration. I have no idea about Restrain so I will refrain from talking about it. As for Pain Barrier, I think it’s kind of redundant for Fencer whom will go High Dex anyway. Concentration? It scales off Str better than Dex. Gungho? Try to beg IMC
It is still night here and I drank coffee as well. Hehe
I was summarizing as most people don’t have the courage when you look at the right and see that 2k number. Thanks for attaching Lostac info, I didn’t memorize everything yet.
Hmm…
Is it still a bad idea to take squire? Or are Rapiers cheap enough to buy multiple of?
It kinda depends on your budget. But it should not be too hard to afford 2 decent rapiers. In my experience, I am consistently able to save 2 millions by the time I reach rank 5 just by doing quests and some field grinding for monster kill achievements. Catacomb rapiers are usually listed quite cheap on the market, they are good before you can craft your own Venier
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*sudden idea
*Summon @Lostac
I believe you do play Barbsair, right? I want to know how Iron Hook disables compare with Helm Chopper. I’m interested in how you can Hook pointblank a mob and proceed to raep it for 9 seconds. Can Hook up to 3 mobs and it will be better if those 3 are clustered together (it can happen). And does Dust Devil have AOE or just 1 mob only?
Corsair outfit + Hook + Flag = pure win equation for me. I think I’m going HL2>Corsair instead of HL2>Barb
Scroll a few posts above, I have a hook demonstration, it’s a total stun duration the duration
Dust devil works like fencer skills, depends on your aoe attack ratio
Isn’t it possible to not take coquille if you take hl3? fencers are kind of lacking in skill points too and epee garde only works with pierce attacks anyway.
Skull Swing is bad for a few reasons:
1 - You break armors for everyone, this is good on parties, but what about WB? You also help your competitors, not always the good idea to use it.
2 - Cooldown. With coquille, I can break monster’s armor each and every wave, skull swing, no.
Nvm, I will test Hook myself. I saw your pic, that’s why I’m interested in Corsair.
Dust Devil works with AOE is great news. More reason to go Corsair.
@Nepnep: I asked @Kascly before and he did the Skull Swing + Coquille test. Nope they don’t stack. And Coquille can have 100% uptime while Skull Swing do not.
After R8 release, it seems that Fencer 3 boosts Pierce attacks a lot thanks to Epee. To the point that the general consensus in this thread is pre-Fencer ranks are chosen for support instead of damage (Barb 3 might be an exception).
There is a video of a kTOS Fencer did 99k damage on a Cloth armor mob with Preparation. Go check it out. Fencer is really stronk now
If you find very cheap squire repair cost offering their services around, always take them for a lot of extra durability on your rapier.
I was just questioning whether or not going squire at rank 5 would be worth it is all. Though I’m going to make the executive decision here and say its not unless I’m particularly poor (and with the 130 dungeon existing, I don’t think I’ll ever be poor).
I’m crafting Venier in a bit with Catacombs as a spare.
Same as @Elaralam unless you can get 2 veniers, getting one plus a spare rapier is the best option unless you really want to take squire.
As for me, i’m doing fine with cata rapier to farm/grind and venier to kill bosses