It should work nicely, guardian is too op right now that even doppels take it
for pvp, I cannot answer.
I’ll put up pelt 2 builds once I’m free
I was going for Corsair/Pelt for my casual Fencer, but yes Guardian 10/10 is worth getting Pelt2 instead. However, the problem is that most Pelt2 skills are sword+shield and you want to have a dagger for extra stats/crit rate once you go Fencer. Basically you have Guardian 10, Swashbuckling 10 and 10 spare points that will give you nothing (well I skilled Umbo Blow to help leveling up at rank 4, and I guess you can put the remaining 5 points into what you want for rank 5 since you’re still using at shield at this point).
I’ll be doing some minor updates in the guide.
It’s quite fun to be more active now that bots/RMT are being slowly exterminated
I’m thinking of putting up a zealot guide but I don’t think it’s needed, gameplay and stats are simple. All depends on proper usage on skills. Although If I get requests I guess i’ll put one up.
Let start discuss on coming rank 10. For doppel i thinking switch to s1>barb3>hl2>dop3 >shinobi.
Due to the warcry debuff duration , we can have extra 10second for cleave and Zwerchhau which is very good. But is it worth to give up vertical slash is still debatable…
Option 2 is S3>hl2>barb1>dop3>shinobi. More patk from gungho and double slash seem good too.
I think I’ll stay the same and just add HL1 for crit attack attribute.
I cannot sacrifice sword 3 until I get a team with permanent ROP.
but 3 gazing golem work perfectly fine with me. Are you using marnox or other cards?
Last time I did 3 gazing golems, it worked.
But my SP drain was too much i had to cancel-refresh ein soif from kabba which made it hard when your buff slots are full and cannot cancel it manually. They have to change that.
I switched back to Rikaus cards right now. At least, I drain too much SP only when I’m able to do perfect rotations.
If they give enough resets I’ll try double potting again with SW1 build + 3 gazings. I was triple potting on my zealot, lol
that said, let’s see the part 2 of rank 10 updates first. Maybe we’ll get a new 2H sword class?
Based from the KR thread, it seems we’ll be getting hitbox buffs finally on most of our core classes. (HL, Barb, SW3)
But I don’t see anything on doppels so far so we’d still need Aiming to effectively redel things.
That aside for rank 10, I think I’ll go with Pelt 2 HL2 Barb 1 Doppel 3 Shinobi. Or cut down the shinobi for HL3.
I’m starting to dislike shinobi as content gets harder, it doesn’t scale that well with defenses and damage reduction mechanics. If this keeps up we need VERY good weapons to keep up with bunshins.
still waiting IMC release a new two handed sword class… or else doppel is kinda screwed.
Edit1: Or forced to get muay thai at rank 10
Yeah I started investing on other characters for now, like zealot and exo.
I don’t think it’s fun to keep choosing lower ranks lol
btw guys , do you recommend glass mole or unicorn/vubble fighter for velcoffer?
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Dopple / 11~12k max patk with buff . With glass mole i can reach 15k patk
I went with Unicorn for stable damage without having to worry about anything. Works on velco and gargoyle.
Glass mole is nice and better for bursting although it isn’t stable and I don’t like the idea of using SP pots whenever I don’t need them.
Bad timings can also ruin glass mole.
If i active glass mole after clone , will my clone get the effect too ? Or i have to active glass mole before clone? I tried unicorn but i don’t see much different…
I don’t think anything buff related would work on shinobi anymore.
Swells, gungho, gmole doesn’t seem to work with clones after the rebalance some time ago
our main source of boss damage is still zornhau and redel anyway, so you might want to build around that?
will the clones still have unicorn effect?
Never tried unicorn effect on clones, although centaurus seemed to work from my tests on this thread a few months ago?
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At least on Telsiai, I can definitely tell doppels are dying, lol.
I don’t see a lot of them anymore. Very high investment, outshined by AA builds in velcoffer (mainly due to velcoffer mechanics), etc.
Our AA team can clear velc in 20-25 mins with minor investment, lol. To do that on a team with doppel, you need HEAVY investment.
yeah; silute as well; there is still some super power doppels here but still most of them have migrate to other chars as well but still keep their doppel, i have some friends who still keep their doppel update; with a good weapon and so on like +15+16 trans and so on, but going higher and trying 20+ on two handed sword for a doppel is something that i have not seen in ages .
but overall i do not think this is a problem just because there is a lack of rank 10 for 2 handed swords or things like that; there always have been easier builds for raid/farm or any type of specify content in tos, , some builds always have needed a very minor investment if we compare with other more downgrade builds; the difference is now that doppel is on the other side of the list simple as that for velc and maybe on a very bad spot as well:grinning: but still there is a lot of other bad classes on the same spot as them as well or worse.
the main problem is simple the meta hardcore mentality that makes those players only want to play the best most of the time, i know that everyone is not like that and they could also like AA builds the same as doppels builds, but let’s be true the coin have the two sides and some guys only like to play to be “the best” and thus there is a lot of people who made doppel because they are super good as well and now went away from it.
Doppel had their time to shine as swordman in solmiki as well for a very long time, and i believe doppels can still shine in velc as well, of course with the right sacrificial element; since as we have seen, there is some parties who takes tanks with them, even AA parties; so i may be a little outdate in doppel scenery because i never really like two handed swords, but i’m sure if they tried to go along the lines of putting pelta 2 for guardian by sacrifice damage, or without going pelta route but by investing heavy on BLOCK to use with highlander highguard, they may be to play as tank on it or even as damage, there is some nice videos out there about hacka’s doing soo much damage in velc and doppel is as good as hacka as well too, maybe now with archer rework hacka could have received a boost that i do not have analyze yet but on the past both are good dp’s choices on par. as well but overall the problem is that if the mains doppels do not like their class enough they can always go for the easier path and change, and this is what happening with tos right now, and there is no blame in doing as well.
On a side note for anyone who having problems with their choice for rank 10; go back to the basics and put that doppel in pvp; it may not be BIS as well, but well if you like the class you should like to do pvp with it as well, and here is the choice;
Crowd Control Debuffs
Gohei (Miko), Bloodletting, Beak Mask, Fumigate (Plague Doctor) and Gregorate (Exorcist) will no longer defend against Stun, Spear Throw: Bind, Iron Hook, Arrest, Dethrone, Pull Rete, Throw Rete or Iron Maiden.
corsair is back with hook for 1 circle cc on pvp, at least against the majority of anti-cc’s.
Yes they still do well in velc, although like mine, I’ve invested on 100 zornhau 100 redel and 100 skyliner (and 70 attri on others) to actually do well. Not many could do it.
This leads them to just moving on to an AA build where they can just pass around their weapons and play the same classes to run multiple velcs. This is…very effective.
People asking me for advice in game stopped with their doppels whenever I say it needs very heavy investment. I think that’s the main problem as it is now, since you’re a melee with DOV it’s a big pain to take damage. I’ll be resetting to pelt 2 on rank 10. I actually don’t like HL3 now and I kinda wasted a rank reset from SW3.
of course this is; but the point is; TOS always have been like that; the difference is that now doppel is on the other side of the list; this is what i wanted to point out with my msg and also, that most people who jumped on the doppel wagon; did so because before doppel was on the “good” side of the list, and at very high spot as well, a brief check on market shows who the amount of good 2handed sword that is being sold at more or less cheap-good price, is proof of it, my friend brought a +16 3 green 1 purple 1 red primus this week for 25kk; it already had 5 slots and gems nv 6 on it as well but only 1 pot.
and in the end is not a doppel problem but a tos problem in itself; there always have been like that. ,sometimes a class is OP with the content; then is not and people jump to the next and so on.
but there is ways to combat it and still be a main doppel today by making a more diffused doppel to combat those problems; like you wrote; by putting pelt2 for example; or simple focusing more on highlander high guard and become a block machine if the players have super good reflexes.
To be true with you; doppel does not really need to have another 2handed sword class right now; but it’s needs in my opinion to overcome the defense problems that the class gains with DOV; so choosing earlier ranks like pelta will help with this; of course some may disagree that they could pump up CON, or gain extra damage with a new class , but the reality is that if a class is dying or taking much damage; there is already tools on the game to mitigate it; of course right now they would need to sacrifice damage to reach this; but is a necessary sacrifice depend on the point of view.
this conversation remembers me on my dual wield sword; right now i’m in the middle of resetting him or not;
i want to build dual wield shinobi; so the best option right now is:
sw3barb1corsair3shinobireit> with this i can slash debuff+ slash skills with barbswcorsair and all of them are shinobi copy-able skills and pierce skills with corsair hexen+dagger and all of them are copy-able outside of reitarius as well but buffed by rete debuff for that extra crisp damage as well.
But with this build i will have 0 defense; so i’m studying the possibility of using:
sw pelta 2 barb1 corsair3 shinobi reitarius.
i know my reitarius may not be seen as the same problem that doppels is having, but if you look closely at the core, it is: since by going pelta2 i will have enough defense-tank with cheap/low investment and with right weapon-set i may go velc as tank-dps sword but by going first build with full damage; i will gain more or less 9k% damage in my bushin close; because double slash have close to 1k% for clones, and 1,5k% for me with my attributes; and cleave debuff buffs all for 50%.
Yes, Doppel is currently on that side now, which is the point of this discussion, right?
So we’re here to discuss what to do with it.
I have an idea why people want a new 2H Sword rank, it’s because shinobis actually fall quite hard on end game content. It may need to get adjusted again on rank 10. hopefully they will.
It will likely be bland/boring for most since the playstyle isn’t actually sacrificial, it is a small sacrifice (IMO) because skull swing sucks and vertical slash is so-so on my skill list.
I can see more people taking the idea of nak muay rather than pelt 2, though
I feel sad seeing this picture. The price of 200m alone is enough to cover for trans. Socketing and +15 weapon is a diff story.