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Class and Rank Swordsman
#4414

Well, lemme play the Palazzo role here.

Highlander is not chosen for its attacks, but for its debuffs, as he can reduce INT and SPR, ignore armor, Bleed (which some say is pierce damage). 2 ranks and you’re ready to go. You could argue that those debuffs do not work on every mob, and they really don’t. But they still make their job on the mobs he can affect, which is not a low number. So Highlander is a nice choice.

Concerning Barb, it is actually either 1 or 3, as like you say, Barb2 is not optimal. Barb1 is nice for Cleave giving 50 crit rate, which adds nicely to our chance and can be decisive if we will hit or not our delicious Epee. Actually, Cleave is the main reason and not Helm Chopper. It also increases 50% damage of slash, which makes Highlander more reliable for more time.

Those are the reasons people still take them.

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#4415

Crown isn’t as effective is it is now.

Monsters themselves have high base damage, basically you’re wasting your time applying that debuff to a few monsters, the cooldown is also long so you can’t use it every wave.

Boss-wise, it’s okay, but still they have high damage, you would be happy to reduce their damgage by 1k.

meanwhile hop3 fencers can roll spear+finestra+throw spear+spear mastery attribute when their epee is down

#4416

I actually get 30m-40m xp/hour. A good party and 8x tome nets you 120m xp/hour. That was a good grind hour…

#4417

I do agree with you, and I myself wouldn’t take Highlander. I was only listing what was discussed a thousand posts before to our friend.

Frankly, I’m starting to actually find that making our Fencer have a perfect pierce is actually better than having lots of half-assed “melee elements”. Though Cartar is still beautiful.

#4418

that’s with class bonus, in telsiai a lot of people don’t care so I only get about 20-25m exp per hour.

#4419

Lol Fencer3 is the main key for fencer, all other class is useless aside from sword3, highlander3-barb good filler skill for fencer3
isnt it the old fencer2 meta lol

#4420

From the sound of it, since the skill has no listed duration, just the Cleave has a 50% bonus crit chance, similar to a Ranger’s Critical Shot, so what exactly is Cleave’s buff and how long is it? You’d think by now people would have updated skill descriptions on websites to clarify some of these skills.

Crown seems potentially useless in most situations and I don’t think it would be enough. I doubt enemies really get their damage from INT or SPR, but I could be wrong, assuming enemies have thousands of INT to deal spell damage rather than their spells just having high base damages in this game, depending on how the programmers wanted to program enemies. Considering INT provides very little damage per point, you’d better hope that enemies just have thousands of Int. Besides, Inquisitor does it better by cutting it in half, and I think Inquisitor will be popular enough to be used. I guess you could stack both, but half from Inquisitor is a lot on its own.

I can’t say much about bleeds. My Fletcher can apply both Poison from Wugushi and Bleeds, so the numbers are nice to see fly by for her. I think they scale off STR which I don’t see me putting points into on my Fencer.

#4421

cleave buff and debuff is 5 seconds

#4422

Ah, that is something to consider then. I don’t really want to give up Corsair for Barb 1 myself though, but I might be willing to give up Swordsman 3 for it. Again, scaling boosts are very good, and 50% critical rating increase is a lot to consider, especially when it comes to maximizing Epee Guard’s uptime with more consistent crits.

btw, what’s the duration on Epee Guard?

#4423

Level 7 venier is 36

#4424

Alright, thanks. While that gives you at most 15 seconds to play with (and 16s cooldown of Cleave, leaving 5 seconds after, though might as well just wait for the next time Epee Guard is up), I would imagine would give you nice consistent burst damage during that time, especially if you find your crit chance lacking on newer content for whatever reason.

I still have a bit to go before having to consider Swordsman 3 or Barbarian 1, but its something to think about I guess.

#4425

Just to make clear, it is 50 critical rate bonus, which is a lot different than 50% critical rate increase.

Also, your arguments against Highlander are fine. The only adds that I’m going to insert here is that I’m arguing in favor of a solo level up playstyle, where you have to deal with magic mobs, lots of them. Crown is far from being a solution, I agree, but it is a tool for lonely people that don’t want to spend 2 ranks on Rodelero just to get Slithering.

Magic damage is still an issue for us and we can’t count on fellow clerics to help all the time on our long path to rank 8. Not with a low density population like we have.

#4426

Oh, I suppose I read it wrong. I thought it said 50%, I guess its just a flat 50. Flat 50 definitely is not as exciting.

#4427

it’s actually…25m exp per hour with dumplings

good lord why didnt I use dumplings earlier they were only 30k each on market lol

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#4428

Well, after Rank8, I’m completely lost about Fencer builds.
The ones I’m liking the most right now are Lostac’s Barb2>Cors1, Proxied’s Barb3, and my High2>Cors1 at a distant third.

But then again, Sword3>Pelt1>Cors1>Fencer3 is gaining momentum (eagerly waiting for Kascly’s report) and we still have Hoplite variants…

So, now, when someone asks me for help on Silute, I say the most popular builds, say that Fencer’s damage is self sufficient so earlier classes are for utility, I explain the importance of Peltasta and finally recommend this thread for them to read.

About that, actually, it often baffles me how people don’t read the posts here before posting. I remember that, when I started, I read all the posts, which were about 1500 at the time.

#4429

I have a fencer like this one. I thought in stick with him, but Epee Garde screwed my dreams. This build is good before rank 8, but after rank 8 and epee, there is no other option to boost your other ranks damage.

This build is very popular in ktos, but was nerfed as a hell and there different from here, people still plays their screwed builds and can do a really nice job at all.

#4430

@Proxied thanks for your magnificent guide. I had the same build path as yours and I am doing great now. Now the trouble is thinking whether should take full plate or full leather equip. haha. I am current now running roxona leather with vubbe figher glove.

#4431

both like lostac does

#4432

I would like to burn all those vouchers at once, but with too many crashs I will lost too much exp.

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#4433

I plan on using all of mine on 290 dungeon.

1 boss rush = easy 150k± silver. not much time spent, can be soloed (red lavenzard)

but that armaos hits so hard if you fail to manually dodge

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