I don’t think armor maintenance is worth it at 1 point, in fact I think not even level 10 worth it. There are only 3 pieces of armor can be used on, so the max it can give is +30 def for 1 hour. I can buy Aspersion buff from Pardoner for less (10k or something) and it also last 1 hour, Aspersion also works in % based and is better with scaling.
Although I would recommend a point in repair in case your party run out of durability in dungeon.
ohh yesss you’re right…
thanks anyway…
ohhh… so sw C2 is bad idea…
sw>peltasta>hoplite C3 >Doppelsoeldner or sw>pletasta>hoplite C2>corsair 2 need at least 50 DEX of acc…?
Well nice guide thank
I have a quesion with finestra buff on 2handsword it posible ? if we use finestra before and then swap to 2 handsword, buff still work or gone
Thank
You don’t need any DEX for PvE, but you might need it later on for PvP. Personally I never had any problems going full STR, but looks like some people were missing on some mobs, that is why I recommend at least 1 point of DEX every 10 levels.
Check my previous post about that: [Guide] Hoplite - By Cathexis
No, if you use Finestra and switch to a weapon that is not a spear, the buff will be gone.
I really hate that “weapon lock” design… Builds could be more unique without that restrition.
Continuing the discussion from [Guide] Hoplite - By Cathexis:
Actually I belive it will lead to way less used build/gear combinations. Sure you could come up with some unique builds, but as for variety, I think forcing some weapons to use some skills is actually good. At least you wont see all the swordmen running around with the best 2h sword or something on that line 
If you think about, Finestra is a really strong skill as it allows a character to build with more liberty by not needing to invest heavily into DEX to acquire critical hits. Sure, there are green gems but those will take a huge amount of resources to become something that can replace DEX the way Finestra does, if at all.
By restricting Finestra to this class only, you actually prevent other classes from picking it up and becoming too strong. Just imagine a two-handed sword user with huge damaging skills and full STR build but that can still land a lot of critical hits because of Finestra, there would be almost no reason to pick other build as it would be too strong.
So in this case, limiting Finestra to only one type of weapon is actually a good thing.
i believe that finestra is there to make the one-hand + shield hoplite have enough damage to compete with 2 handers
cus if the 2h guy go like 1:1 str/dex, he will get the same crit rate and dmg in the end, but instead of shield he can dodge (cross guard can be used to block cus it scales with str)
Wow i just learned about how strong deeds of valor can get! At lvl 5 with 5 stacks, your attack increases by 50%. If one chooses to advance the doppel to C2, the duration of deeds of valor is longer than its cd, meaning you can keep the skill up 100% of the time. You can even get up to 100% attack with 10 stacks.
Now the question is, do you think refreshing the skill will refresh the number of stacks? For example, if I have 10 stacks before I use the deeds of valor again, will it be kept at 10 stacks or will it drop to 0? I might just skip the dragoon class and stay with doppel awhile longer because deeds of valor seems to significantly increase DPS
Sure you can get 100% attack, But you wont have defense
with no defense u can go to 150% atack =), doppel is made for 2handers, that use leather and evasion. they even got a 2h atribute in last korean patch (dont know the effect tho)
Will you still be able to get the Deeds of Valor stacks if you guard or evade an attack?
no, only getting hit. but there’s magic right?
Amazing guide!! The world needs more guides like this.
Need your opinion cathexis on my idea of making a hoplite3/barb2 assuming r7 is here? Why barb2? Basically for the 2 sec stun, seism, frenzy. I know we cant use cleave with finestra. Ive tried rodelero and i didnt like its skills except for montano. I like doppel but it doesnt have a stun which is useful for pvp. What do you think?
Okay so here’s the thing I’m curious about atm. Since they announced the Rank 7 Classes.
Do you really need to get Cataphract just so you can equip a Two-handed spear? Cuz at Rank 7 I’m thinking of going Dragoon and it is said that it specialize at using Two-handed spear.
no you don’t, it seems dragoon have one and 2h attribute.
On the whole Deeds of Valor and Doppelsoeldner thing:
Doppel is really, really good with Hoplite C3, as with Finestra level 15+ you can go full STR and get insane amounts of Physical Attack, that only grows bigger with Deeds of Valor since it scales off Physical Attack.
A Barbarian using Deeds of Valor isn’t as good, as dodge doesn’t count and you don’t have the luxury of going full STR.
To be honest, defense doesn’t really matter, and you can’t get negative defense anyways, so that just makes Deeds of Valor even better. It is probably the best buff the entire Swordsman tree has.
I think it could be a pretty decent build for PvP. To be honest, I would wait until we have more information about what types of PvP we will have in the game, before making too much theorycrafting about PvP builds.
For example, we know there is arena but will we have something like WoE (guid vs guild) or structured PvP (pre-organized groups) or will we get equipment to reduce duration/chance of CC?
But yes, with the limited information we currently have, the 2 second stun from Helm Chopper and Seism are pretty good for PvP, specially since they are easy to land and have fast animations.
Nope, just like @tomredwait said, Dragoon has attributes for 1-Handed and 2-Handed Spears. So there is no need to take Cataphract for a Dragoon build now.
I know you probably haven’t played with a Dragoon yet, but what path do you think is the best for it?
Does it even makes sense to get Dragoon if you want a barbarian path with Corsair/Fencer/Doppel?
Since it’s a spear based class, it makes much more sense to get something like Swordsman>Peltasta>Hoplite c3>Doppel>Dragoon, doesn’t it? You’ll be able to use all hoplite skills and dragoon skills with the same weapon and will have that doppel buffs to increase the dps on top of all that.
@edit
Do you know something about the rank 7 corsair c3, doppel c2 and fencer c2? I’ve been trying to look for that information but it’s pretty hard.