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General Grades for Class Ranks (Updated 6/2/2016)

As I said, its a GREAT class. Scout c1 is great. Great.

But Flare shot on lvl 15 is way better than it is on lvl 5, @Dream can confirm this to you.

I can also confirmed that Flare Shot at level 5 is significantly stronger than any other skill you can get at rank4 with only a circle of investment.

There’s a reason why A2R1Scout1 Fletcher3 is so powerful in the current version of iToS, and flare shot plays a key role in that. 15 seconds of pure aoe .5 second ticks that scale with STR, Weapon damage, buffs, and gear is nothing to scoff at.

Updated, kept SR1 at C because it’s just not good, but it’s an A for SR2. (SS if you have 4 other chumps to build around your retreat shot for ET purposes).

tell me about Musk vs Canno dilemma! Im having a hard time deciding which on to pick

Cannon if you want to PvP/GvG/go pure AoE (A2Sapper2Wugu2Cannon is one of the best aoe builds right now)

Musket if you’re QS3, or you have falconer (spreading shot synergy), or want to burst things down quickly.

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Well Im already A1>QS2… so I should go Musket

Also wanting this build, any insights?

A>Ra>Sap2>Ro>Sc>Cannon
Ra + Sap + Ro synergize
Feint + Barrage
2 Boom Traps
+10% Steady Aim
Scout for flexibilty (which can also be replaced by A2 or Falconer)

Cannoneer being Cannoneer

But you will lose A2 which gives +25% crit rate or trade it with Scout

I would love to have Feint + Barrage having almost instant BURST with 3 charges and 18secs CD, thinking barrage is really decent until idk what level :smiley:

But I really feel the potential of having QS3 for later on as it provides really good DPS and an OP Didel Grand Cross :open_mouth:

oh well, this game is very overwhelming when it comes to class builds!

Might be fun for double boom trap shenanigans. I wouldn’t call it tried and true, but if you want to have fun go for it. Definitely there’s a wow factor when you steal spells and drop them as your own (or even your own spells), but do remember it has a 3 minute CD.

You could even go A1R1Sapper2Wugu2Cannon1, Ranger Barrage spreads poison really nicely.

I’m actually ignoring this thread because the misleading is real. While some are on point, some are totally not true or shows that the person judging the classes lacks in-depth research or pretty much just assumes everything.

But since I’m tagged, fine.

I’ll just quote what I said as well on the other thread,

The actual DPS of a Lv5 Flare Shot is 65%+211 and that’s considering the enemy took FULL hits from it. Not sure what’s amazing about this when it has roughly the same DPS as a Lv5 Spiral Arrow which everyone says is bad. That’s quite hypocritical. You don’t just say one skill is good and the other skill is bad when both has roughly the same dps. One might argue, ā€œBut Flare Shot is true-AOEā€, sure it is true-AOE but in boss fights, which is more reliable to do DPS? Spiral Arrow or Lv5 Flare Shot? Both skills has their pros and cons but both their actual DPS is bad so it doesn’t matter in the end.

When you factor in, ā€œHey Scout C1 has Cloaking which is useful for PVEā€. Cloaking’s use is limited on PVE. When you’re done exploring maps, when you’re done doing all quests, Cloaking’s usefulness drastically decreases. Why so? Because you don’t invi your way to victory on Earth Tower.

In fact, even with hardcore min-maxing in PVE. Koreans are stuck on 13F of Earth Tower. The funny part is where the suggested build with the Scout C1 includes Musketeer C1 which are both horrible at Earth Tower.

When one argues, ā€œBut hey, if we got Linker, even single target DPS can shine!ā€ Yes, but only for a moment, once those linked mobs dies in the ā€œUSUALā€ split sec or 1 sec, you’re back to doing shtty bad single target DPS.

I had to make this long because these are the major factors why Scout C1 is bad by itself. If koreans with their hardcore PVE builds can’t get through 13F of Earth Tower yet you waste your 1 rank for Scout. You must be REALLY confident that even by gimping your build by wasting 1 rank on Scout C1, you think you can clear Earth Tower. Go ahead and test that super usefulness of Scout C1 on Earth Tower then get back here and tell everybody again about it.

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This isn’t an Earth Tower tier list. No one’s saying Scout1 should be taken for earth tower, earth tower builds have their own preferences and perquisites that need to be met. As far as I’m concerned, all ranks are considered F for Earth Tower unless specified otherwise.

People are saying taking Scout1 at rank4 is a better option than any other 1-rank wonders at circle4, and that scout1 is also a core component in most PvP builds. This ranking list is a general reference for players to see ā€œX rank with X circlesā€ is worth taking, and in the majority of cases a single rank of Scout is fantastic.

In regards to taking Scout1 for world bossing, if you assume that Flare shot (which is only a single rank investment) does as much damage on a non-mobile world boss as Spiral Arrow (which requires 3 rank investment), then let’s just assume we’re only comparing the damage buff received from an R3’s Steady Aim 15 and the damage buff received from A2R1 Swift Step Critical and Steady Aim 5, then the latter A2R1 buffs provides you about a 5-10% average DPS increase over R3’s Steady Aim 15 on all Fletcher3 skills across the board.

So in that specific scenario, yes A2R1Sc1 outperforms against Ranger3. Scout1 is actually stronger than all possible variations of rank at that point as well (wugu1, Sapper1(lol), QS1, Archer3, Ranger2).

If you have any feedback for proper ranking suggestions of Scout1, feel free to add them and I’ll change it. If you want to give Scout1 an A rank and then make a note saying it’s S-tier for PvP oriented purposes, then I’ll do so.

You are missing the letter E and…

Hunter: F F F :persevere:

Of course that that’s your opinion but giving Hunter three Fs is really mean.

The truth she can hurt some times.

Fantastic? Almost everyone agrees that Lv5 Spiral Arrow is bad yet Lv5 Flare Shot gets some special treatment?

Thing is, once you factor in that Flare Shot does not have an amazing DPS overall even if it did land all hits. Cloaking’s usefulness is limited or rather drastically decreases once you’re done with all content aside from Earth Tower.

Is this still a one rank wonder class? Even if let’s say PVP, okay. The top PVP classes are which ones? Does every single one of them have invisibility? No.

When invisible, you don’t know when a random AOE will suddenly hit you and considering Cloaking has long cooldown, the usefulness of this skill on PVP becomes questionable.

So with all things said, is Scout C1 still a one rank wonder?

I’d give Hunter the following letters: E, D ,E

But that’s okay, Hunter becomes more rewarding the more you learn how to work around the AI flaws.

It’s much more of a 1rank wonder than Wugu1, Sapper1, and QS1, that’s for sure.

Also, please inform me of the mechanics of flare shot, how many hits does flareshot land in 15 seconds? From most videos I’ve seen it does quite a bit of damage which just a 15 second duration alone.

The whole thing is subjective. When I took Rogue C1 at Rank 7, is it because it is a 1 rank wonder class? No, it’s because it has an incredible synergy with my overall build.

Judging by your logic. Everyone must choose the ā€œin their own opinionā€ best classes per rank whereby, Ranger C1 is rank 2 default, Scout C1 is rank 4 default w/o considering the overall synergy of the build anymore. This kind of mindset totally mindblows me.

Flare Shot has 90% modifier per tick. It ticks at .5s intervals.

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OP hasn’t covered all the synergies available among the classes.

It is also an overall rating, he didn’t really rate every single class for every single scenario: PVE, PVP, GVG, Solo, Team, etc.

It’s his opinion/assumption after all…the FFF for hunter stung me a little but that’s fine, he must not have played all the classes available.

What’s the matter then? If you took Rogue at a later rank because it synergizes well, then it has an S ranking.

I’ve seen Flare shot in videos doing up to 3-4k damage a tick, which is some seriously good damage from such a cheap investment. If we had the Korean version of Ranger3, Scout would be ranked significantly lower because R3 is so much better. But because Ranger3 is severely stunted in iToS, it bumps up the ranking for A2 and Scout1 significantly.

Still doesn’t mean that it is a 1 rank wonder class because the damage output and cloaking’s use for PVE and PVP are both questionable.

This isn’t just my own opinion, I’m listening to the opinions of about a dozen people and balancing the list out.

I have yet to hear anything even remotely good about hunters except for certain PvP scenarios. Keep in mind this is a contextual rating to other classes, the reason why it gets an F is because all other classes around it do something better.