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🦊 [Dragoon C3] Theorycraft Builds Thread

Class and Rank Swordsman
#120

Tentative skill build for my cata-goon: (doesn’t include the latest buffs yet)
https://tos-kr.neet.tv/skill-planner#1113777fff.11234a5a6571.14213545.112f3f415865.112c314f5a7581

Playing it safe and putting 1 point in skills I won’t use or are only there for utility.

Pretty sure the significant buff to dragon soar would really help my DPS. It went from 1 overheat to 3 overheat and now it also does like twice the hits? Really liking the new dragon soar now. I’m thinking dethrone into steed charge into 3x dragon soar might be good for PvP.

They also listed dragon soar in the list of skills to benefit from the new “fake” multi hit change…which is kind of confusing because I thought dragon soar is a true multihit.

#121

It is, but the new attribute counts as a fake multi-hit.

#122

Dragoon skills are a mix of true and false multihits. And the fake multihits on goon don’t work like most other fake multi.

Most Dragoon skills are 3 true multihits of fake multi.

Usually on a fake multi, when you miss or get blocked, the game will show only one miss or block.

However, on Dragoon, it shows all the miss and blocks for each individual multihit. This is most obvious on Serpentine, which is 3 true multi of 2-3 fake multi each.

Also, I made a google sheet based off the new hoplite changes to show the new skill factors.

Not sure if I got anything wrong but it seems about right for me. Just make a new copy of the file and edit the blue cells.

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#123

Very nice sheet.

One thing about Pierce tho: you need Shock debuff to apply +2 extra hits, and it gets +70% damage instead of +50% from Serpentine’s debuff.

I’m personally making Highlander 2 -> Hop3 -> Dragoon 3 so I can cause Shock debuff with Crown at 100% chance and Bleed with Crosscut (with 3x Prison Cutter cards) for an extra +30% dmg.

About your explanation about Dragoon skills being multi-hit, I’ve always felt Serpentine’s attrib had a quite high chance to cause bleeding (but certainly not 100%). If I were to guess, I’d say ~70% chance to bleed with the skill is a reasonable approximation (7 hits with 10% chance each). However this wouldn’t be possible if Serpentine consisted of only 3 true multi-hits (should be 3 * 10% = ~30% chance), unless the attribute also works for fake multi-hits.

It could be an entirely new type of fake multi-hit… But who knows.

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#124

dragon soarin buff extendin slashgoon
sw2-barb3-dop1-goon3:
https://tos-kr.neet.tv/skill-planner#1116669fff.233a4a5265.5a6aaab1.1555.11213c4f5a7581

time to ditch those pierce guys. it’s all bout dat slashgoon now
i just hope that 15cd dragon soar is a true multi-hit

#125

Noticed it too.

@miwou No, it is fake.
Tried it, info here

New build is pelt1 - Hop3 - barb1 - drag3

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#126

unless I pick cata, is it good?

#127

well, the pros are:
cyclone - which is significant on solmiki runs, as well as general grindings and stuff

+10sec debuffs - complements cyclone’s 11sec spin (puts all hits under all debuffs)

cost-effective rotations - after the first rotation you’ll be able to go serpentine, seism, soar, dethrone once again which are the crucial high dmg skills (all while still under the effects of all the debuffs)

green dragoon - stop this delusion and embrace your true role, support your murmnobi friends and instagib every boss in the game. jk, that doesn’t stop u from doing comparable dmg to doppels

also, u get fast autos during downtime with frenzy while keeping full str
this goes kinda well with 2h spear’s inherently high patk

cons:
no spear lunge (u prbbly don’t need this to cap jump or maybe dethrone? i could be wrong)
low crit rate
no blockrate
no cool 25hit stab
no pierce
no hoplite skills lol

#128

Since highlander gives better rotation and crown for the shock combo, I’ll probably try to decide between:
Sw1-Hl2-Hop3-Dragoon3
Sw1-Hl3-Hop2-Dragoon3
Sw1-Hl2-Hop2-Barb1-Dragoon3
Third build depends on how strong the slash debuff will be.

#129

Cata is still very bad. It’s more of a PvP only thing. I can see Catagoon being pretty good in TBL again.

@mrshadowccg
Dragonsoar gives Shock as well with lower cd and more OH too. But highlander is the strongest PvE class anyway as well.

And well, based off probability, it’s not that hard to procc bleed.
Assuming 7 hits: 100 x (1 - 0.9^7) ≈ 52.2% Bleed Chance
Assuming 3 hits: 100 x (1 - 0.9^3) ≈ 27.1% Bleed Chance

Since we know that each individual fake multi of serpentine is displayed, and I do feel like the chance is definitely not as low as 30%, I’m pretty sure the skill counts it as 7 separate hits.
PS. How do you do the quote thing with the person’s name in it?

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#130

Do you think about SW2-hop1-cata3-dragon3
we can get a bit of stun from sw2, more duation of pain barrier
lunge + 50% dmg on piece from hop1
more mobility from cata3

#131

Lunge is only available at Hop C2 unfortunately.

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#132

Thanks for sharing @greyhiem. Really interesting how Barb1 is more preferred than Dop1. Is Cleave’s slash debuff really more worth than Dop1’s DoV + Cyclone?

#133

It is due to the buff to dragoon. Dragon soar overheat increased to 3.

Dragoon1 dragon soar: +30% damage vs flying type enemies.
Overheat increased to 3 (OLD: 1).

For mobbing, DoV + Cyclone is still fine. It is easier to hit badly~grouped mobs. Dragon soar needs decently grouped mobs.

#134

man utilizing cross guard autoswitch memes will be amazing with these new dragoon changes. It’s quite possible now to get off at least 3 dps skills with stagger + spear lunge + serpentine debuff still up since dragoontooth and stabbing are much faster now. I would personally go high2>hop3>dragoon3. I hope the helmet stacks multiplicative off debuffs or did someone test that already?

#135

If you go Pelt1 then you’re locked into 1h spear+shield. You get One-handed Spear Mastery: Medium-sized Hunter from Hoplite but miss out on Two-handed Spear Mastery: Big Game Hunter from Dragoon

Alternatively you could go Sword2 Hop3 Barb1 Dragoon3 and use 2h spear for bossing. You’ll just be squishier

#136

So many variations for dragoon possible depends on your preference. Pelt1 for swashbuckling is great for solo farming, sw2 for pvp, high1 for further pierce debuff, high2 for more skill rotation, barb1 for cleave and doppel1 for another rotation option.

#137

I’m pretty sure about my S3/C3 skills, but Dragoon-wise I have no idea what to put points into besides 5 in Gae Bolg and 1 in future helmet. Any advice? (Just PvE)
https://tos-ktest.neet.tv/skill-planner#1111777fff.3f4f5f.2f3f658a.3581

#138

I would go for this:

https://tos-ktest.neet.tv/skill-planner#1111777fff.3f4a5f85.2f3f658a.1d214f5a7581

You can ditch 5 points from Dragontooth into Gae Bulg, but I’m not a fan of Gae bulg myself (clunky AoE, long cooldown). Dragontooth has a nice AoE depth-wise and with only 1 sec cast time and ignoring 50% of enemy def (with 2h spear) it’s surely worth maxing.

I also changed Concentration lv 15 -> lv 10 to get Double Slash lv 5.

#139

So it’s not worth getting Gae Bulg lv5 for attributes?