Finally IMC is taking action against Dina afkers, Good Job!

[Sayurichan]

Necro 3 has no use other than afk farming. Even with nerfed rank 8 mobs, still useless.
Congratulations IMC you just made a class useless like sadhu.

Necro 3 has no other use? Are you saying necros are too weak compared to others? Or do you seriously believe that their intended purpose is to afk farm?

If it’s the first, then the proper solutioin is not to let them continue afking, but instead to make Necros stronger so they can compete with other classes in terms of damage and usefulness when actively playing and at the same time nerf afk-farming

Just remove necro class altogether and give them rank resets.

It’s not like necros intended purpose was to afk farm… it’s just players exploiting the fact that some classes have summonable ai companions.
The proper solution is to buff necros, make them more useful and then heavily nerf afk-farming

[fujiwari]

That’s why they need to totally rework/ remove summons, since they are unable to find a solution to this problem. Buffing summons just means they’re gonna be able to afk at higher level places.

[benjaminlyr1994]

Necro 3 has no other use? Are you saying necros are too weak compared to others? Or do you seriously believe that their intended purpose is to afk farm?

It’s all what you have described. There is no place for necro 3 in rank 8 maps. Flesh cannon? LOL. I haven’t even see a single necro in lhadar mind you.

The proper solution is to buff necros, make them more useful and then heavily nerf afk-farming

Agree, but this is iTOS, we follow kTOS in patches, and there isn’t any buff for necros yet, when we get any update we are always 6 months behind them (There probably won’t be, since they are too lazy to fix the summon ai). We are talking about short term solutions here, similar to how grim reapers will only be a short term solution to fix the afking problem.
Since the likelihood of necros not getting a buff is nearly 100% (this based on the fact that pet AI priority comes first and will probably come near release of R9), you can expect necros to remain the same.

Honestly, I have never seen a single necro farming for R8 mats. And it’s not as bad as Sadhu as there are other circles to take after that class.

[dintra7]

poore poore necro, his dmg is to loow, class die

[Seiran]

The proper solution is to buff necros, make them more useful and then heavily nerf afk-farming

AFK-farming was never an intended feature in my opinion. There’s no point “nerf it” after something else.

Just deal with the issue/game weakness separately from the class being bad. Sadhus doesn’t have any “extra feature”. Sadhu should be the one AFK farming if this was the case (ps: it’s a joke).

Every class have it pros and cons. There are totally bad classes in the same way Necro can be totally bad. That’s not an argument to justify AFK farming in any way. Especially when people level Necromancers specifically for AFK farming.

It’s not like most of them leveled a character to them notice it was bad to then discover AFK farming. You leveled a character to get silver and made a great amount of silver, do not complain, just accept when the “feature” is fixed and move on. Everyone adapts to make silver any way or another. If something is changed, we changed too. I leveled one Wiz3Linker2Thaum1Warlock2 for farming materials and get silver by selling them, I’m not complaining IMC changed how DPK materials worked nor asking for a Rank Reset, which is even worse in my case where I needed effort to get my silver.

Honestly, I have never seen a single necro farming for R8 mats. And it’s not as bad as Sadhu as there are other circles to take after that class.

@Alsheyra farmed materials with a Necromancer. It’s ok that’s because earlier class choices.

But:
Wiz3Linker2 can farm materials. Many wizard farms relies on early choices.
Wiz1Pyro2Link2 can farm materials. Can still be Necro 3.

Most/all wizard farming classes doesn’t exactly rely on Rank 6-8 to farm Lv.315/Rank 8 materials.

That’s not a valid argument. In fact, Rank 6-8 wizard classes aren’t even required to farm those materials:

Enchanter: Damage bonus, but nothing “special” for that. Just a good weapon.
Sage: Missile Hole. M Def.
Featherfoot: Okay. Still not so great for farming alone, highly depends on links.
Warlock: Okay. Still not so great for farming alone, highly depends on links. Otherwise damage is too slow/weak/single target.
Rune Caster: Long cooldown and cast times. Not really a farming DPS class.
Alchemist: Buy Varnalesa (?)
Chronomancer: Haste (?)

All of those are just additions while the core of wizard farmers are Wiz3Linkers or PyroLinkers or some weird variation of Linker+Daggers which I think is more expensive to make it work than Wiz3Linker/PyroLinkers.

Now, seriously, picking Sadhu (especially 3 circles) effectively hinders Cleric efficiency on farming Lv.315 materials while Necromancer doesn’t hinder in any way Wizards from farming Lv.315 materials.

Instead, it adds some extras just like other classes:

Necromancer: Flesh Cannon. Okay. Still not so great for farming alone, highly depends on links.

Just stop making excuses to justify AFK farming. It’s not acceptable in any way.

In fact, even this build can farm materials:

And it’s worse damage than Necromancer C3 counterpart and makes less silver currently.

[benjaminlyr1994]

@Alsheyra farmed materials with a Necromancer. It’s ok that’s because earlier class choices.

To quote your friend, full post, not out of context, and recent so its relevant.

Any necro3 in-depth guide and a 2 question for necro3 player

Summon are useless except for afk farming. they deal no damage, be it in pve or pvp (even with full int - which is the only way their attack scale). Attribute only help if they could damage the ennemy which isn’t the case.

Flesh cannon is the only good skill in the whole necro tree (beside afk farming), and dirty pole has some use if you are a linker. Rest is pretty much garbage and hardly worth / usable.

Unless you took necro just for decay debuff for group play, then it’s just pole / shoggoth attribute on summon / flesh cannon and that’s it with 1 circle.

I don’t think he used necro c3. I’m talking about necro c3 in regards to how useless it is. I know people take necro c1 only for the decay debuff, but how useful are skele archers in c3? Please show me a video with the skele archer damage in a r8 map. Everyone knows that outside AFK farming, only flesh cannon is useful. No one buys summon attributes for necro cos its useless, no one likes necro in party due to fps issues.

Also, any build can farm materials, i even can use archer c1 to farm.

Just stop making excuses to justify AFK farming. It’s not acceptable in any way.

Also as IMC reply, as per other users comments above me, IMC has already said that being afk is legal, deal with it even though you don’t like it.

Lastly, some background info about me, I have mained a necro and have farmed afk since Mar’16, made over 1b so far, and I know whole guilds who do the same, so yes I am salty about this I won’t lie, but this isn’t gonna change, I did not do anything against the rules. I knew that one day IMC would start taking action against afkers but honestly, grim reaper is a stupid solution. There are other better ways such as

ANY SUMMON, even sorc ones… and make it 2-3 min tops duration with a lower or same CD as duration.

[Seiran]

To quote your friend, full post, not out of context, and recent so its relevant.

I did not say the class isn’t bad. I just said it works for farming Lv.315 materials and he used it, because early class choices.

Quoting my post again, since it’s shows your misunderstood what I told:

@Alsheyra farmed materials with a Necromancer. It’s ok that’s because earlier class choices.

He DID use Necromancer C3, since, like you even know, we’re friends and we talked about farming materials. That post alone is the proof that he has a Linker -> Necromancer C3.

I can stand 100% sure of my statement, can you stand 100% sure for yours?

[benjaminlyr1994]

He already said he used previous class skills for farming which is what you can infer from the post? Flesh cannon doesn’t count?
Like I said, anything can farm R8 mats. Don’t bring other r8 classes into the picture, we are talking about necro here. I know there are 10000 balance issues with this game.

I have used necro c3 for over a year and I know what works and what doesn’t.
Furthermore, we have a problem with player numbers, ‘meme threads’ and ‘doomposting’ on forums, and the first thing IMC does is chase away your playerbase?

[Alsheyra]

Since I was quoted about necro utility :
-my build is wiz3/link1/thaum1/necro3
-you can’t make a dps necro for pve without wiz3 and linker which is already 7 circle out of 8 obligatory
-without linker 2 which would be the 8th, your build lose alot of damage for some utility (thaum for double drop / other things)

I farmed all mats for ermengard shield / heart of glory with my necro 3 and that was before they buffed defense/magic defense by 80% for everyone in late december. (didn’t have any trans gear either to help)

Old video from how I was farming :

Beside all that, necros is worthless since since you have no choice on how to build it if you want to at least do a bit of damage, and your spell are even playing against yourself (summon would destroy link hit count instead of helping so you can’t use them).

edited a better link

[Seiran]

^

Like I said, anything can farm R8 mats. Don’t bring other r8 classes into the picture, we are talking about necro here.

You’re the one who started talking about R8 maps.

Please show me a video with the skele archer damage in a r8 map.

I’m not saying about summons for farming in Rank 8 maps. Read my post again. Show me a Sadhu farming on Rank 8 maps with OOB?

The Necromancer (without summons, they’re bad, everyone knows) video is right up there.

Everyone knows that outside AFK farming, only flesh cannon is useful.

That’s exactly my point. It adds an “extra” for early circles in AFK farming, like all R6-R8 DPS classes:

Featherfoot: Blood Sucking (and Blood Curse but which isn’t a skill you use all the time and in all maps).
Warlock: Mastema (only good AoE in the class).
Chronomancer: Haste (and Pass if C3).
Enchanter: Enchant Lightning.
Sage: Missile Hole.
Alchemist: Able to buy Varnalesa for Chapparition cards.

Necromancer: Flesh Cannon.

Just one addition like every other classes available at R6-R8. For farming Lv.315 materials.

No one buys summon attributes for necro cos its useless, no one likes necro in party due to fps issues.

One Pyro2Linker2 is welcome in any grind class as far as I can tell. This argument isn’t valid and the same can be applied to Sadhus or Bokors.

And Bokors can’t AFK farm.

Also, any build can farm materials, i even can use archer c1 to farm.

After the defense buffs, yes, everything can farm. A Necromancer farmed without the defense buffs and before the nerf on Rank 8 monsters.

Also as IMC reply, as per other users comments above me, IMC has already said that being afk is legal, deal with it even though you don’t like it.

Did I say it is illegal? No.
I said it is unacceptable which doesn’t mean it is illegal, just that it shouldn’t be there.

Lastly, some background info about me, I have mained a necro and have farmed afk since Mar’16, made over 1b so far, and I know whole guilds who do the same, so yes I am salty about this I won’t lie, but this isn’t gonna change, I did not do anything against the rules. I knew that one day IMC would start taking action against afkers but honestly, grim reaper is a stupid solution. There are other better ways such as

This just confirms what I said:

It’s not like most of them leveled a character to them notice it was bad to then discover AFK farming. You leveled a character to get silver and made a great amount of silver, do not complain, just accept when the “feature” is fixed and move on.

Most of Necromancers leveled those characters for AFK farming (not all). If you DID level it up for AFK farming, just don’t complain. Accept and move on. You got what you wanted with that build. Period.

The class needs rework. Almost all classes needs rework. A Wiz3->Linker->Necromancer with Vienazaris Mace farms materials better than my SR with two Stage 7 transcended weapons and I’m not crying.

That’s no argument for defending AFK farming nor should be taken into consideration to “fix class before fixing AFK farming”.

And, since you decided to bring this issue on:

Furthermore, we have a problem with player numbers, ‘meme threads’ and ‘doomposting’ on forums, and the first thing IMC does is chase away your playerbase?

One of the main reasons a lot of people quit was because AFK farming exists.

[_Val_]

I would love to see a picture/link where IMC actually says afk farming is ok.

(I’m not saying they didn’t but I haven’t seen it yet which I find weird considering how much people like to bring it up.)

[benjaminlyr1994]

@Alsheyra thanks for coming out to share the video. Yes, this clears everything, thank you very much.

@lunarrabbit

Did I say it is illegal? No.
I said it is unacceptable which doesn’t mean it is illegal, just that it shouldn’t be there.

Ok this is all I need from your post, that it’s not illegal, you sounded like you wanted to purge all form of afking from the game, because [quote=“LunarRabbit, post:157, topic:352718”]
Just stop making excuses to justify AFK farming.
[/quote]
sounds like you are forcing people to stop debating about afk farming? We can debate about things that IMC has stated are not illegal, if not whats the point about this thread? Also I prefer that people with necro3 share opinions since they are more knowledgeable about this.

Everything else yes I agree thanks @Alsheyra again.

One of the main reasons a lot of people quit was because AFK farming exists.

I’m from Telsiai which has one of the biggest populations and again, I can’t speak for other servers, but here we have 60 necros + warlocks on all the channels together here and that’s just for DBF. Like I said I know whole guilds who do AFK farming for silver, others do botting + hook64 and RMT. Which is more serious and needs more priorities? Like you said AFK isn’t illegal.

[Seiran]

Ok this is all I need from your post, that it’s not illegal, you sounded like you wanted to purge all form of afking from the game, because

I want to purge all form of afking from the game, it damages the game in the long run.

sounds like you are forcing people to stop debating about afk farming?

No. But when you do, use valid arguments. Don’t say your class is bad then you should be allowed to AFK. Even when there’s actually worse classes (and builds) than yours.

If you give an argument that applies to other classes. The AFK farming as well should have been applied to those. Look at Bokor zombies or classes with low damage or too high cooldowns classified as DPS classes.

Also I prefer that people with necro3 share opinions since they are more knowledgeable about this.

AFK farming affects the whole game. It’s even extended to Warlock 2 macros and bots. Thus I can assume current topic isn’t only about Necromancers and allowed to share my opinions regardless.

I’m from Telsiai which has one of the biggest populations and again, I can’t speak for other servers, but here we have 60 necros + warlocks on all the channels together here and that’s just for DBF. Like I said I know whole guilds who do AFK farming for silver, others do botting + hook64 and RMT. Which is more serious and needs more priorities? Like you said AFK isn’t illegal.

And you honestly see this as healthy to the game?

I think IMC needs priority with dealing with all forms AFK, bots and macros (they’re similar, want you or not, only difference is that you’re not using external software to control your character). And yes, I am comparing both, I’m not saying that AFK is illegal but it is similar to bots and macros and Grim Reapers affect all 3 types of farming while being away from keyboard.

That’s way worse than class balancing issue.

And here’s one example of what happens when new players get to Dina Bee and see the whole AFK farming thing:

To whom it may concern, how Dina Bee Farm made me quit this game

Hello I'm a completely new player, have 100 hours played, got lvl 160. I really got in the game and was in the proces of moving some of the members of my Molten(Warmane) raid guild members to this game. Sadly that will never happen after what I just witnessed at DB Farn. Well just logged in, thought about grinding some Demon Prison. But than remembered I had a merc thing on DB Farm, thought what the hell and besides I've never been there. But lo and behold I see some ppl afk farming without scri…

[benjaminlyr1994]

It’s even extended to Warlock 2 macros and bots.

This is illegal, we won’t discuss this here. This is 10x worse than necro afk. I would also want the bots to be banned cos its ILLEGAL.

And you honestly see this as healthy to the game?

First of all, like you said, it’s not ILLEGAL. Why would you want to purge something that’s not illegal? There are a myriad of other issues that are ILLEGAL and getting abused constantly, TBL issues, Hook64, Bots and this brings much more ‘dirty silver’ to the community. This is of so much higher priority and nothing has been done about it, honestly all the players who cared have left already.

And here’s one example of what happens when new players get to Dina Bee and see the whole AFK farming thing:

Honestly, this isn’t even evidence. There are players like me and you who have tolerated the bugs and IMC’s incompetence for more than a year already, and a new player can’t even get past dina bee? He won’t last long in the game there are 100 things worse than afk necros, and i emphasize again, its NOT ILLEGAL.

There are so many other threads about people quitting due to bugs, fps issues, hacks, exploits, balance issues. Why doesn’t IMC do something about those? Also, they waited for a year to implement such a stupid solution which anyone could come up with in 5min.

[Seiran]

Wall of text, read at your own risk:

This is illegal, we won’t discuss this here. This is 10x worse than necro afk. I would also want the bots to be banned cos its ILLEGAL.

And AFK farming is similar, all three methods are “away from keyboard” farming, hence are all affected by the same counter measures and affect the game in the same way.

First of all, like you said, it’s not ILLEGAL. Why would you want to purge something that’s not illegal?

Because it damages the game and is similar to illegal things.

There are a myriad of other issues that are ILLEGAL and getting abused constantly, TBL issues, Hook64, Bots and this brings much more ‘dirty silver’ to the community.

TBL issues doesn’t give silver. Hook64 alone afaik can’t give you silver, unless there’s some silver exploit. Bots, hook64 and Necromancer 3 all are contained to the same term AFK (Away From Keyboard) farming.

I do agree that only the botting and cheated silver is “dirty”.

But the concept alone doesn’t make the real similarities cease to exist. Nor the effects they have on the game. In fact, the silver one gets with Necromancer C3 is pretty similar to bots and macros.

Source, YOUR OWN POST:

Just compare:

Doing dailies on 8 alts - (2 shards + rush 290)*8 = roughly 4M
Necro on dina bee (bottom spot) - roughly 2M-3M after 8 hours
Necro on dina bee (siaulamb area) - 1M-2M after 8 hours

Warlock macro (middle spot) - 5M after 8 hours
Warlock macro (bottom spot) - 4M after 8 hours

This is from my own personal experience (ex player who uses hook64 and AHK). So you can see why bots rule in this game.

This is also dependent on whether any other warlocks (real players) mess up your farm or oracles.

Took a screenshot so you don’t delete your own post:

I also flagged your post, so you can’t delete it.
If you edit it, you’ll give proof that you posted it and edited so other people can’t read after I called you out here.

Wall of text, read at your own risk

Necromancer on bottom space or Warlock with macro on bottom space makes only 1M difference. Taking the lower value, 3M, multiplying per 3 (24 hours) gives 9M per day by AFK’ing alone, 9*30 days=270M per month.

This isn’t healthy in any way to the game.

There are players like me and you who have tolerated the bugs and IMC’s incompetence for more than a year already, and a new player can’t even get past dina bee?

Did you read the post?

To whom it may concern, how Dina Bee Farm made me quit this game

And I’m not a casual player and neither are my friends, so I wont be satsified with being low because I do not wish to start botting.

New players sees this almost the same as botting.

Plus, AFK farming isn’t a form of bug - piece of code working in a unintended way.

But just when IMC is being competent you’re saying they should keep acting in an incompetent way and keep AFK farming working?

i emphasize again, its NOT ILLEGAL.

Know what? I don’t care anymore, I’ll go into the merit of calling you out for lying.

Lastly, some background info about me, I have mained a necro and have farmed afk since Mar’16, made over 1b so far, and I know whole guilds who do the same, so yes I am salty about this I won’t lie, but this isn’t gonna change, I did not do anything against the rules.

Here:

This is from my own personal experience (ex player who uses hook64 and AHK). So you can see why bots rule in this game.

You did things against the rules, and you want:

There are other better ways such as

Elegant solution is make summons timed… ANY SUMMON, even sorc ones… and make it 2-3 min tops duration with a lower or same CD as duration… so anytime you see some1 in just 1 spot spaming sumoning skills = report… DONE…

So you can keep macro’ing it and you don’t want to stop gaining silver with your AHK recasting the skill every X minutes. Since Grim Reapers are effectively stopping you from AFK farming.

[benjaminlyr1994]

You did things against the rules, and you want:

Uh, proof? Pictures? Using my words in a troll post does not count, go see my post history, I’m sure you have trolled before as well and its easy to see when people are serious about something and when they are not.
IMC is welcome to ban me if I used any macros/hacks, go ahead. I said that because I know what macro’ers earn, and just giving blind figures without stating how I knew them (I estimated them) wouldn’t receive any response if I did not add that ‘I am a ex user of Hook64 and AHK’, and people didn’t reply me on this, (sadly).

And AFK farming is similar, all three methods are “away from keyboard” farming, hence are all affected by the same counter measures and affect the game in the same way.

Because it damages the game and is similar to illegal things.

See dude, these are all your opinions. Honestly, why do you want to pick a fight with so many of the other forumers here? To force them to believe your opinion?
Okay, lets talk about real world issues in comparison, I’m transgender, and people have a stigma towards me, but is it illegal to be transgender?

Necromancer on bottom space or Warlock with macro on bottom space makes only 1M difference. Taking the lower value, 3M, multiplying per 3 (24 hours) gives 9M per day by AFK’ing alone, 9*30 days=270M per month.

Yea, you yourself already stated that and both are legit ways in regards to the economy so don’t talk about affecting the economy.

[benjaminlyr1994]

Plus, AFK farming isn’t a form of bug - piece of code working in a unintended way.

But just when IMC is being competent you’re saying they should keep acting in an incompetent way and keep AFK farming working?

This is in IMC’s internal code, so we leave that up to them to decide if it’s an unintended or intended feature, we both know nothing about this.

In fact, the silver one gets with Necromancer C3 is pretty similar to bots and macros.

Please stop using the word similar, they are not the same.

[jerretjacoby]

The main problem right now is not whether the role of farming or anything is fulfilled by previous circles, but of Necromancer itself. There is really no purpose of Necromancer. The main point of the argument should be that the existence of the Necromancer class is absolutely useless. The only point it has is AFK farming. I do have a Necro3 myself, and would gladly prefer it if they just issued a class reset on login and blocked Necro from being selected.

On that note, with this flawed class design almost seemed to be created for AFK farming, they made silver EVERYTHING in this game. Attributes are immense silver holes and even running Earth Tower/Solmiki is a silver sink. Make a group and spend 40+ minutes farming for Solmiki pieces a day per run and break your wallet even trying to craft it. There’s even RNG on rerolls above 25F(Seems to be around 60%).

I don’t personally like the class design of Necromancer, but the design of the class itself is based on AFK farming. Using 3rd party programs to farm for you or cheat is beyond this topic and not ok at all. The best option IMC could’ve done was just outright disable the class and refund people for even taking it. Don’t they ban people on jtos for afk farming? Why bother going through the trouble when the class serves no other purpose. Even making the pets temporary would only encourage people to macro. I still see Sorcs afk with pot macro’s going.

[Seiran]

Uh, proof? Pictures? Using my words in a troll post does not count, go see my post history, I’m sure you have trolled before as well and its easy to see when people are serious about something and when they are not.

That’s too detailed to be a troll post. Nice thing to assume you cheated your way to get things then “I was kidding”, so classic, haha. I have nothing to say to you. See ya ~

[dintra7]

maybe is a joke from IMC 1 apr?