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Everything in Videos Says Murmillo Shinobi is better than Dragoonc2

Class and Rank Swordsman
#1

Idk why people are throwing this Dragoon c2 is god crap around when videos like this are now common.

It’s almost sad how the murmillo just pops the ant with just clone shooting star while dragoon requires the use of a multiple skills and still can’t auto burst it down.

Only arguement you can make i guess is that murmillo can run out of steam the second clones are down, but thats not true, if this person had gone pelt 2 instead of sword 2 he would have high guard which would allow his pelt skills to be viable and he could have also used his high base dmg murmillo skills as well.

So please explain to me why dragoon 2 is “better”

Ps. For further proof, you can look at Sia Missions where you will see the same result. Murmillo bursts 1.5m dmg off the mob while it looks like dragoon has to pick at it longer. (but still i feel the murm ran out of steam for poor circle choice)

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#2

Anything Shinobi has a great burst. Dragoon has the burst and dps.

Shinobi is high risk, high reward. Dragoon is debuff and pop a screen wide op skill and be done with it.

Dragoon is easier to use, that’s why people prefer that instead.

Shinobi may technically be higher damage, but it’s not as efficient.

Just my two cents.

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#3

Understandable, but bossing is based off doing the most amount of dmg the fastest. On a 12m hp boss like dullahan(not that many people go for it still) if you burst it for 2m dmg in the first 10 seconds, you’re getting a cube. also deeds of valor is near equivalent to clones now. if you lose 50% of your defense, you’re getting hit for a lot, if you take 50% more dmg, if you were taking 1 dmg, you’re uh not taking more than 1 dmg after clones either if you were taking like 10k dmg and now you take 20k, yeah that hurts but most swordies aren’t taking that much anyways.

Like i can easily see on rexipher someone holding the aggro and every minute you burst it for whatever dmg (that dmg being probably in the 2-3m range) easily. So if the fight lasts for 30 minutes you’re doing at least 60m and even if it was closer to 50m, you’re probably getting a cube for your team since rex only has 260m

#4

Do ya know every time killing a elite mob need cast clone is annoying?

and…

Are you sure shino+murmi can kill anything without clone?

#5

well duh everyone knows shield ninja classes are supposed to be the top dps in the game

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#6

highguard Murmillo helmet + pelt skills

for -15% attack pelt skills will have about 730% extra dmg from just buffs and then if your attributes are high on rim blow and umbo blow you could make that technically 1460% not including crits.

Normally when you use umbo blow and rim blow with 1000 base attack at lvl 10 each they do aprox 1500 dmg straight. so basically 1500 x 14 = 21000 base that you basically use 4x since rim blow and umbo blow have 2 over heats. not including your debuff skills on targets or crit

so if your crit is high, you can spam 4 attacks every 12 seconds while your high guard is up for 30 seconds meaning the max you can do is like

336k over 24 seconds on piss mobs which is very average for not needing clone at least and using 0 debuffs

#7

Judging which class is better with ant videos on the internet is plain stupid.

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#8

I’ve got at least 3-4 more videos that also say the same things, But if those are “plain stupid” also, i can understand your contribution to this chat as a Meta Barker

#9

35 seconds vs 1 minute

#10

good luck.

#11

SO what you’re saying is that Murmillo is better but costs more

#12

Don’t worry, I agree with you 100%.

I came from a game called Elsword, and the only thing that was relevant there was how fast you can burst. ToS is slowly getting to the point where bursting is the only important thing.

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#13

Its more the fact pel/roderlo work with shinobi now that i feel makes murm shinobi just better than hoopeldragoon. If they didn’t the build would be ■■■■, but just for the fact you can drop a boss for nothing is insane. The damage values will only go up. the fact of the matter is eventually be it 5 years or 15 years from now people will be hitting cap, and if clones are hitting cap, shinobi(anything) murm is out dmging everything easily.

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#14

As long as IMC keeps shinobi clones relevant with enabling skill use, it’ll be the highest burst cuz 5x multiplier.

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#15

I can pretty sure clone bug still exist in itos.

Same as other spell can’t successful cast.
(and you need risk for it with low hp.)

#16

At max, they might add syncro thurst and pierce which would make dragoon 7,8,9, shinobi 10 the best build possibly cause 6 piereces doing 4 hits each is a lot of dmg. maybe high lander skills and barb skills might get added to the mix, squires last ability that adds a 2 over heat attack might also get shinobi, could be interesting to go pel3/squire3/shinobi(only do clones when you wanna burst a boss down and be relevant even as a pure con lol)

this could be funny as hell

#17

Itos still needs a lot of changes before rank 8 comes out. This build is in no way shape or form viable this second without murm and changes to clones

#18

Another Ex elsword player! I hated it, especially endgame PvP.

KToS shinobi is changing too though.

#19

if u want some more DPS go hoplite2 and Murmillo that all buff combo u gonna get over 260% Pierce attack (that insane!!)

#20

Syncro thrusting shinobi murmillo is something people are working on tbf. Like i said, if syncro thrusting gets affect by shinobi clones, the game changes immensely. In that case you just go

pel1/hop3/highlander1(for the pierce debuff for bossing)/shinobi/murmillo

That would be insane but requires syncro thrusting to work with shinobi clones becuse syncro thursting gets a 280%+ dmg buff from murmillo helm