Another thing to keep in mind, currently no servers have official rates for anything, everything is a test.
The iCBT especially was not a test for exp/gold/economy. It was a steam integration test.
In future CBT’s they’ll probably extensively test it, or more than likely follow the KR version since they are already extensively testing it there.
Well it’s kinda futile to argue with someone who dosn’t know much about logic.
Dude, i am NOT saying that bitcoins ARE valuable because they have less digits.
What i sick and tired to say to you slower people, is that money with less digits LOOK more valuable.
Since you don’t follow your own advice about reading stuff, or is just too dumb to understand, i am going to try to explain the marketing strategy i am trying to apply. And try to understand it now dummy.
example:
Company A sells a package with 2 batteries for 1 dollar, that can
last 30 minutes each.
Company B sells a package with 6 shitty batteries for 1 dollar, that
can last 10 minutes each.
Conclusion: both companies sell 60 minutes energy for 1 dollar. The only difference is that the company A’s package is more compact.
And when you ask people “which battery is better?” mentaly healthy people are going to say: “Company A’s battery. why? Because they last 3 times more.”
In the end they are both the same, both companys charge 1 dollar for 60 min energy. But company A’s batteries will LOOK more valuable.
Dude, i don’t know in which server you use to play, but hey… I can believe you. I mean seriously if you tell me, i think that can be a possibility.
But you know what i can’t believe? If you tell me that getting new digits in RO was easier than RO2 and ToS. Its undeniable that RO was HARDER than RO2 and ToS to get money. And that’s the whole point of my topic.
I have another analogy, that suits our debate better(Your analogy is about a good/product someone is buying, mine will be about currency). Here I go:
Scenario 1(your system):Person A works 8 hours a day and wins 100$ a month, that can buy 1 pack of beer(new system)
Scenario 2(old system) Person B works 8 hours a day and wins 100,000$ a month that can buy 1 pack of beer.
Would you rather check your bank account and see 100$ or 100,000$ as payment for your hard work? I’m not saying you are going to be bothered with tonss of bills to carry, since we are smart people and have digital transactions. Just looking up on your bank account, most people would rather see high numbers being rewarded for their hard work.
Keep going, this was the wrong copy.
Well, since you finally understand the concept, we can start talking. Let’s start by an example:
But what happens when she gets that “nice gettleman”?
She gets confused thinking:
Eventually they will leave that dude saying: “The problem is not you, it’s me.”
Now… Most women say “i hate rude guys who doens’t care about me”. But we all know the guys who don’t care about them are the ones who get laid the most!
And when those guys leave them, those girls are like:
“I am confused! How can i love him so much if he doesn’t even care for me!”
Well, people are not so different from those confused girls. Sometimes they may say they prefer the choice that looks more rewarding but in the end, that will turn out to be a turn off.
Big numbers LOOK more rewarding, true, i give you that. But the problem with big digits is that you will get that rewarding feeling too soon and if you get that feeling too soon, your brain will start to assimilate that with something easy to get.
Humans DO NOT value something that is too easy to get. That’s just human nature.
What happens to a player who gets to the 7th digit and finds out that isn’t a lot of money. He is going to feel that he has “a lot” of cheap money, it will be frustrating.
If we are talking about a 40 min game like dota, big numbers are OK.
But for a game that is going take you months to leave it, small numbers are the best choice.
I am also thinking about the long run here. I am thinking about ( Time x Digits ).
In order to keep a good psychological ballance between reward and work, we have a simple rule:
The more time, the less digits
The less time, the more digits.
Place good money sinks that are not optional and scale with the amount of coins in game; for example: global trading tax, 20% or so. Honest might need to be even higher, but it might turn things into a barter economy. Ideally net coin gain in throughout the entire economy is consistent with net gain in value… good luck lol. The sink for attributes is a really short term thing.
Assuming we have an amazing sink, I agree that it would be good to keep the digits as low as possible at equilibrium. Don’t want to be trading in the trillions.
Well it took me long to answer you because, i was busy answering your friend Sebastian, and only now i saw this stupid text of yours (as always… Stupid…)
You gave me none. You just made stuff up.
Well Joe, last time i checked we were talking about
my way, remember?
Are you familiar with the phrase “my way, my rules”? After all, it is you who is asking me stuff here. If you want something from me you gotta earn it.
So what? A bitcoin still a bitcoin. in the end of the
day it will still LOOK more valuable than all others.
Since i am dealing with you, i am going to try using simple words and explain the logic as simple as i can:
Let´s start off by some value logics AKA marketing psychology. (i know you won’t understand squad. Even so, try to keep up)
Humans have many psychological perceptions like: Big - Small, Fun - Boring and
Valuable - Worthless.
Between valuable and worthless moneywise in the game, we have the digits:
Valuable < …000,0 0 0,000… > worthless
The perfect spot to set the “U” (unit) is right on the middle judging by what people find valuable or not.
Valuable <…000,00 U ,000…> worthless
Valuable <…U00,0 0 0,000> worthless
Valuable <…000,0 0 0,00U… > Worthless
Psychologically speaking yen’s and tos’ units, are placed in a worthless psychological point, regular people can’t see that because most of them don’t understand about psychology, but they SURE CAN FEEL IT.
If you ask them: “Are you ok with that?”
Most likely they would answer: “Yeah, i don’t give a sh’t”
They don’t know how their own unconscious mind behave. For the first day, it will be ok. but in the long run, their unconscious will assimilate tos’ money with something cheap.
Now to answer your question:
You like to play stupid. You are crystal clear that you don’t really care if i am right or wrong. You keep trying to fool me, but you never could. 
Sorry, you are just not smart enough for that task.
So to avoid your traps of stupidnesses, i am not going to directly answer you that. Instead, i am going to create another topic with 2 money display opitions, so the devs and everyone can see it highlighted and very clear. And i won’t need to repeat myself over and over.
Kepa Stem, 3 reagents for Priest spells, 2 different SP potions and Anvil.
While I can forgive not knowing about priest reagents if you don’t play Priest, but SP potion and Anvil are something any decent player will have bought.
You sure you did play the beta?
I asked you to show me an example of how you will convert it, so why not just convert it to show me.
No you didn’t give me the key (the smallest price item).
I know you won’t understand since logic isn’t your strong suit, but i am going to say it anyways:
In your case maybe it’s because you didn’t play the beta, and you keep trying to project that unpleasant fact on me in an attempt to hide it.
First time you said it I was ok. I just saw it as your average nonsense. But you started to oversell it , and next thing i see, you are desperate to throw that on me. Your behavior is starting to look supicious…
To tell you the truth, i knew what the item was but i wasn’t sure that’s why i asked you. But you seemed to have NO CLUE which item was, and you should know it too since you “also” played the game, but you clearly don’t.
Weird huh?
Are you sure you read my last post??? You seem to be the type who don’t like to read, but i already answer you that in my last post. Start learning how to read.
Lmao stop assuming he is my friend because i disagree with you. I barely know anyone on this forums rofl. I just disagree with you because I feel your idea accomplishes nothing and has 0 influence on the value of currency. If they implement this and have no correct money sinks, good job, your currency will be worthless anyway. Thats why I think they should only focus on implementing good money sinks.
I asked to pretend that 3 is the smallest one and show me how you’re going to do it.
I even predict you’ll just take the lazy way out by dividing everything by 3, round up/down any decimals and call it a day.
Considering you always ask people to imagine things along with you, is it so hard to just do that?
Like what you’re doing?
You say I don’t play the beta, but I even provide the price and name of items, I’m pretty sure some other players can verify them.
Hmm? you’re the one who said
Saying I made up those numbers.
And hey, when are you gonna do this thing you promise yourself to do?
oy vey, a fellow merchant!
getting 1k in RO was hard at any point in time? You could get 5~10k off muka in an hour back in 2005. You have no idea what you’re talking about confirmed. More if a guisarme drops since that resold 13k (1/200 chance which is totally possible for 1/hour) so you could potentially have 50k+ by level 20. So much for your entire argument. People here actually played RO indepth you know, it’s not just a meme.
You’re just talking out your ass and I don’t think anyone really gives a damn if you think it looks “more visually appealing” for smaller numbers of currency.
Very very few people think that way, and I doubt they would change the game for some outcry when in the long run numbers will rack up higher. Late game in ToS having 10m will not be a huge amount, nomatter how much ‘value’ currency has to a new player. The main thing is that your request can completely screw up game economy balance for the addition of NOTHING of value at all.
That said, like in Ragnarok, as you have an obsession with it’s currency, there are items in ToS valued below 10. You can’t just minus a 0 without increasing the price of these items and messing up balance. Defacto, you can’t just /10 on everything.
Uh are you sure you played in depth? Mukas don’t drop anything worth a damn except green live which was less then 1 % and guisarme sold for around 6k if i recall.
What the hell do you have against decimals? Almost all the countries in the globe use decimals.
That is a lie right there, because technically i never promessed anything to you. Saying that “i am going to do” something is different from saying “i promess to do” but you can’t tell the difference can you dummy?
Well, i was just getting ready to create the topic. But then i came here, read your text and started feeling less smart. (reading your stuff has that effect on people)
There you go again with the blame shifting… You are really the King of Bullsh’t aren’t you? It was you who started saying that i wasn’t in the beta, and you know that very well. Let me refresh your poor memory:
See right there, you started saying this crap 5 days ago, not me you bullshitter.
hahaha dude you are soooo full of sh’t. But don’t you worry. You may fool the slower people, but mark my words, you will never fool me.
You can keep trying. Your silliness when you try to get me fooled with your lack of brains is quite amusing.
These prices mean nothing. It depends on the server.
Have you ever seen this [video][1] from a thai server? The prices are… interesting 
[1]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIX9QEbVyhA
Well, when talking about ‘look’, 10,000 vs 100.00 does not look that different, but in term of memory required to store them, number with decimals require more space, therefore unless necessary programmers are recommended to not use them.
blaaaaaame shiftinggggggggggg
I believe what you’re experiencing is falling off your high horse.
The first one was half-joking, second one was more serious after you accusing me of making up numbers.
Then after I point out what items those prices belong to, you said this:
Which just come off as making up excuses.
Any decent programmer will know that this is a false statement since you are using a fixed amount of decimal digits… not that i’m concerned about the main topic of this discussion at all 
From:
http://www.cpc.unc.edu/research/tools/data_analysis/statatutorial/misc/precision
vs
Showing 19-20 digits for 64 bits (same datasize as double)
Both easily far too large to care (1 * 10^9 is 1 billion and that’s only 10 digits used) but I think that supported my earlier comment?
There’s also the other problem of computer not being able to really store decimals that well (like in the first link, 0.7 is actually stored as 0.6999…)
But well, that is just using default data type (int and double), optimized data will use smaller bits (for example, if you know a certain value will never rise above 1000 and is never negative, you only need to assign 10 bits to that value (able to represent number up to 1023 ((2^10) - 1))
But you have a fixed number of decimals, so you don’t need to use a double variable to save it, just store the number of cents in an integer type and when displaying the value, transform it to dollars 
If you want to continue talking about programming you can just PM me since it’s off-topic :3