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Economy - The most important thing

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#162

Because you are dummy son… Any normal person would see a huge difference between ten thousand and a hundred. Even down syndrome kids can tell the difference between a thousand and a hundred.

But not you… why am i not surprised? :joy:

Hey Joe, nothing requires more memory storaging than the bullsh’ts you reply.

Even the other people are starting to see it. (In case you skiped the reply the guy referred to you, here it is):

I know you might think that me and Grillo are BFFs, known each other since 1st grade and roast marshmallows together in the summer camp but…

Truth is i never spoke with the guy. And i don’t give a rat’s ass if you don’t believe me, because i keep in mind that you have some mental issues.

But hey, let’s suppose your bullsh’t about decimals was true, you know i am talking about a simple money display, that even a computer from the 80’s could do it right?

  • What do you use for computer? A pocket calculator?

Dude, i mean seriously… your capacity for saying epic bull craps and expecting people to buy them, is tremendous. :hushed:

Dude wtf, are you loosing yourself? :joy:

Uh… Excuse me? I don’t remember applying for an english course you know.

But thanks for the tip Mr. Harvard English Professor.

I was talking about the smallest price item you dummy. Once again:

  • Start learning how to read texts! Otherwise, is just natural that you have a hard time trying to sell me your bullsh’ts.

How did you become an English Teacher if you can barely read?
They must be letting anyone teach english these days… F’ck Logic :confused:

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#163

I don’t even think that your topic is even valuable enough to discuss, so i’m just sitting back and readding other peoples opinions :smile:

#164

I don’t know why people are so touchy over this topic. Like it wouldn’t effect the fundamentals of the game. It literally just comes down to preference, personally i hate big number syndrome.

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#165

I’m surprised that this thread isn’t filled with the Michael Jackson gif eating popcorn.

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#166

Holy ■■■■ the little dot is different and one spot to the left, such massive difference in ‘look’
For a topic that starts with how 10,000 and 10 ‘look’ different, you sure seem to be making fun of your own idea at this point.

I believe you, because I spoke to the guy in PM like he wanted, and he’s actually understandable, unlike the circus clown that is you.

Force of habit, I try to help people not make themselves look like a retard.

Did you read the part where I said to try pretending 3 is the smallest?
Or are you unable to comprehend the pretend part? After all of your ‘imagine with me’ examples I’d think you at least have…imagination…well, maybe a bit too close to lunacy.

At this point most people are just grabbing popcorn and watching because some guy throwing tantrum = hilarious.

As far as effect goes, ‘cutting digits’ would cause items that already were single digit in value either becomes worse (either flat out can’t be sold, require bundling to be sold, etc) or suddenly gain much higher value (since the minimum selling price is ‘higher’ than before)

Now I want to see are people just posting that gif as their reply.
No word necessary, just gif.

#167

Fair enough.

But hey about that summer camp. Everyone is invited, even rofldat!

Imagine all of us sitting around the fire…

I would give you a stick with a marshmallow
i would give thebloodyaugust a stick with a marshmallow
i would give Coegant a stick with a marshmallow
But i would give rofldat a stick with a note saying: “Stick it up your ass and roast yourself”

#168

How could you if you can’t even help yourself?

You really think that anyone could ever buy that you was trying to help?
That’s a whole new level of bullsh’t even for you.

You see, the only “force of habit” you have is saying bullsh’t to me then getting your ass whooped.

Is that so…

I am so glad he made you see that your statement was false. The guy diserves a freaking medal.

If i am the clown of the circus, then you gotta be my donkey.

Because even though i keep whooping your ass over and over, you never learn and always come back for more.

I always made it pretty clear that the main objective was to make money look more valuable.

“Cutting down digits” was merely an idea between many others (AND THAT IS STILL the main plan, if RagnaroK could do it so can ToS).

But if adding digits to a few numbers between 0,00 ~ 1,00 was the only way, it would be fine by me since money would look more realistic and looking more realistic means looking more valuable. Which is the MAIN OBJECTIVE.

Well, and i want you to speak less bullsh’t, but we can’t always have what we want can we?

#169

BTW, 100.000 and 100,000 can be the same number… depending on which decimal mark you use… Just sayin’ :wink:

#170

Were

I guessed you didn’t read the post I made in reply to that.
deserves

Jellopy sells for 3z
Kepa Stem sells for 3silver
The smallest digit is the same so I’m not sure how/when did ‘that other old game’ ever cut down on digits.

Except value is relative.
Money is only valuable because it can be traded for goods/services, in situation where the money can’t be used it is very much worthless (typical post-apocalypse stories, bitcoin can’t be used in Thailand)

And hey, ‘that other old game’ doesn’t have realistic looking money either.

Just like how I’d like to see you show that price conversion on assumption of 3 silver being the lowest priced item.
Or that you’d finally make that new topic you mentioned before.

options

#171

I don’t think that this point is a big concern the items that sell for single digits are mostly intended for crafting. considering by lvl 15 you have around 300k+ . Honestly if the crafting items sold for 0 at a vendor it wouldn’t bother me, because you will either use them / throw them out/ or put them on the market.

I love thriller lol

#172

Dude seriously, tell me when did i apply for an english course because i really can’t remember.

How can you play english teacher with me, if you can’t even get your own sh’t right?

Good job Mr. English Teacher.

F’ck logic :confused:

  • Another FALSE statement right there!

Barren trunk dropped by willows sells for 1z
Flower dropped by plants sells for 1z
Fire arrow dropped by Archer skeleton sells for 1z

There are other dropped items that are sold for 2z as well.

Conclusion: You are a stupid fking liar.

The main objective is to make money psychologically look more valuable.

Making it look realistic was just ONE of the ideas to do that you dumb sh’t.

  • One of ragnarok’s main currency characteristics was that:

Just like in real life, the 7th digit was very very very valuable. RO2 didn’t have that effect on people since having the 7th unit was very common for everyone, ToS is following RO2 footsteps on that matter. That scares me.

The day ToS’ 7th money unit become as valuable as Ragnarok’s 7th unit was, then i will be set.

Dude i am really trying, but am busy with things from college and i keep using my free time protecting my topic from your sh’t load of lies.

My brain needs some time to detoxify from your stupidity and if you can’t keep that defecating diarrhea ass of yours from smudging my topic with your bullshits, well then, you are just gonna have to wait.

#173

I’m not playing English (capitalization for proper noun) teacher, I’m just pointing out spelling mistakes that I notice.

As for you pointing out mine
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tradeable
And fixed the other two, thanks?

So here a ‘digit’ to you is 0-9?
Then

Here each separate number counts as a digit.

So which is it? If you accept that 1,000,000 = 7 digits then my statement was not wrong (both numbers being single digit, which also applies to the items you mentioned as well)

Such blame shifting and making up excuses.
If it really hurts you that much, why don’t you stop reading?

Protecting your topic? If I am really a ‘stupid fking liar’ as you claim, do you think others will be fooled? If your topic is well explained why would you need to protect it further?
Or rather, isn’t that new topic supposed to be so clear that you don’t have to repeat this anymore? Shouldn’t you put your focus on that instead?

#174

Really I think all this argument comes down to is…

This is a game not real life so comparing the real world currencies to the in game currency doesn’t work. We cannot go gain money from killing mobs in the real world. There is a set amount of money but what causes the inflation of said money is that we have to make more of it. The money is backed by real world items and that gives it value. So when more is made is divides among how much currency has been printed.

Since the money is coming from other sources unless you somehow make this somehow happen in a game where you don’t have true jobs to earn money it will never be able to be balanced quite the same as far as I know. Maybe a barter system would do something of such nature but again things are being created by taking resources that just renew very quickly and the smaller things will lose so much value it wont matter anymore unless there is a constant influx of new players needing the low tier things all the time.

The main point he seemed to make was he wanted his money to feel more valuable to him which is a valid argument to have. I totally understand his opinion but I also see some people would rather it be where they gain lots of small value currency. Even if the 10 is the same value as the 1000 the person because of the big number feels like they are richer but at the same time someone who likes the 10 over the 1000 may feel like the 10 has a lot of value but is it really different. No. It is just the same value in 2 different numbers. While balancing with bigger numbers may be easier really in the end I think this will matter very little in the end. What matter over all this is how fun the game is to play and if something as small as a few decimal points is gonna because such an uproar I wonder what ideas could have been added instead of this.

I agree with everyone basically all sides are not wrong or right. Everyone has had a valid opinion.

#175

I`m gonna create a topic on why I think the numbers should be represented as roman numerals. They look much cooler right? I bet everyone is gonna love that.

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#176

My topic, my land! I will stand my ground and protect what’s mine until the end of times.

I need to read in order to defend. Asking me that, is like a mob member going to someone’s house, start killing everyone and say: “if it really hurts you, why don’t you stop watching?”

Tell you what, i will stop reading…

When i am ready to reply!

He says he is not playing english teacher, while playing english teacher :joy:

F’ck logic :confused:

Such a dirty liar you are…

Dude, have i already told you that i try my best to to understand your language? And i am not talking about english, no. I am talking about that one you use all the time called ‘stupidity’.

I asked you for the smallest PRICE item, didn’t matter what number it was or how many digits it had…
I just wanted the smallest PRICE item, and you gave me this crap:

I mean, what the hell?l

In order to “reduce digits”, i need firstly to reduce the prices of the items, starting by the cheapest one. So i thought:

  • Either he’s completely out of the subject, or maybe “smallest price”
    means “smallest digit” to him.

If i thought they were the same thing, how could i’ve said that?

It would be like saying: adding apples to a few apples.
You are so stupid dude.

What a loser you are, using my own words against me. Throwing back at me the “blame shifting” argument. How is that for an ultimate blame shifter?

Then all comes down to this:

  • It IS possible to lower money’s units and i know
  • Without breaking the “balance” and i know
  • That, together with some other strategies, would even improve the balance and i know.

But you don’t want for it to change, and that’s why you attacked this topic.

Conclusion: You will keep attacking it (vs) i will keep defending it.

bitch.

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#177

They’re still fighting each other? :smirk:

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#178

What if i stab a guy and take his wallet. Thats kinda like him dropping it except i gotta search him a bit.

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#179

I want to point something out fast, completely away from the topics initial discussion.

I’m sure that people posting here are aware that economics is neither about math nor arithmetics.
As you all know, economics is - at it’s very core - a social subject.

And when a discussion drifts off into a state where there is little regard for interpersonal communication, then the discussion has also drifted away from being about economics.

There is nothing to gain from getting heated up over anything said here.

And @zeno_t I agreed with your idea in my first post on this topic, saying that it would likely benefit the game to cut down on numbers. I think you might have overlooked that part of my post because I also wrote a lot of critique for the idea (as to why I feel that high digits are a negligible issue or may not even be one) and you have taken quite the burden upon yourself by actively responding to people on this topic.
I still think that you may have a point with your idea, but you shouldn’t put so much of your energy into this thread.
You might get entirely different responses than the ones here if you bring up this topic at a later time.

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#180

[quote=“zeno_t, post:176, topic:39742”]
He says he is not playing english teacher, while playing english teacher :joy:[/quote]

Never knew simply by pointing out spelling mistakes makes me an English teacher.

Well, when you quote a part of me saying 'they have the same smallest digit (one digit) and saying that’s a lie, but attempt to prove it by switching to price, it’s confusing isn’t it?

Yet you have no problem using other one digit numbers to argue with me when I explicitly used ‘digit’ in my wording.

It’s like I said apple pies and you switch to using raw apples.

I’m ok with changes that I believe will improve the game (‘new’ class system for example), but if you suggestion require other strategies to help improve the game, but you don’t tell those other strategies, the only thing I see is an arbitrary suggestion that does NOT improve the game.

Conclusion: Tell the whole strategies to improve the balance or you’ll still remain impossible to understand.

Dunno, does two people talking different language trying to talk to each other count as fighting? At this point that’s how I feel.

He doesn’t respawn, so while you as a person gain money, the total money in the system remains the same.

He overlooked many posts in favor of replying to mine, including some really well-made critiques.
Kinda give rise to that lingering doubt that maybe he can’t answer those critiques, so he simply ignores them.

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#181

Good point haha but the money is still coming from the pool that isnt just growing from nothing. I do like that alot though haha never thought about that REAL LIFE FARMING!