Neither do you. You are full of ■■■■ and the community knows it. Stop spreading misinformation.
If YOU have proof that 2 gems dropped on the same channel within 5 HOURS of each other even, then I will believe you. Till then you are wrong.
People, we should keep an open mind to this theory. As far as i know DPK applys to gems THAT CAN BE TESTED, that means on high spawn rate monsters. I could not yet test the theory of dual dpk drop on dual spawn groups on same map on itens of low DPK. I did test this on high dpk itens with multiple group spawns.
To put it simple we can not dismiss double gem drop because the coding on this game was poorly done and erything is possible BUT gems are DPK.
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I’m not the one making the claim that Gems are random, and pulling up Anecdotal evidence to back up the claim ^o.o^
You don’t need infinite video tape either. Get with the times and stream on Twitch, then highlight the stream ^o.o^
Well my 2 hanaming gems dropped before 500 kills for hair dyes right after maintenance which was little after 4am. If I happen to get 2 hanaming gems again on next time I make a new character on a maintenance day, like the guy above said I can take a screenshot and post it on the day of maintenance and I can back up what I went through last time I suppose?
Besides I don’t understand why those who claim certain item to be DPK without any proof to be praised while those who claim the said item to be RNG without any proof getting bashed. Those 2 are just claiming a different opinions and should be valued and treated equally until proven. Is there some sort of reason for it?
Besides I have no clue why Remiri guy is so upset and pulling all vulgar words on me. I personally would like to believe in DPK for gems as it actually makes people to go kill the certain mobs more as it guarantees the gem drop. While on the other hand there is nothing you can get out of claiming it RNG whether it being DPK or RNG. If this is too hard to understand:
If gem drops are RNG.
- Considering it RNG gives you nothing positive. It stays RNG
- Considering it DPK makes people kill the said mob more frequently, which increases the chance for the gem to drop, which also means more gems in the server.
Therefore, saying it is DPK is more profitable across the server when it is RNG
If gem drops are DPK.
- Considering it DPK makes no difference. It is DPK
- Considering it RNG might not attract as many people into the map which might make the server reset before the kill count gets to the point where the gem drops
Therefore, saying it is RNG harms you as there are less gems across the server.
Why would I lie about my drops just to get less gems in the server? I don’t really want to farm gems when it is annoying monsters or slow respawn ones. I would gladly say it is DPK and take advantage of those who would love to farm them for me. However, I don’t want to lie here because taking others for granted is not a moral thing to do.
If you experienced two of the same gems dropping in a short period of time, you’ve obtained enough proof for yourself, right?
The problem here is that most of us haven’t experienced such a thing before, and so we need some kind of proof showing that it actually happened to be able to accept it as a fact. It is nothing against you; we just can’t take your word at face value. Would you agree that this is reasonable?
I can understand and appreciate your willingness to share your experience with us, but we need something to go on besides words. Nobody likes to hear others claim that something they’ve experienced didn’t happen, but I hope you’re able to see/understand where we’re coming from.
I wasn’t targetting you as someone praise DPK and bash RNG. You were very reasonable. I was actually talking about people like Remiri for example. He constantly repeats how valid his “written experiment” is while if someone mention anything slightly RNG calling them full of BS. If you read through the entire replies it isn’t just him who is doing it. A lot of people are offended by someone “questioning RNG existence” while getting very upset over someone finding “non DPK” items.
I’m not flat out saying “you’re wrong”. I’ve stated, since my first reply to you, that in order to prove your case we need some video of your experience farming in one channel and finding 2 gems outside the DPK count for the gem.
In the last quote, I even hint at a means for you to record a long session to be used as actual proof.
If you’re correct about a gem being RNG, it means we need to re-evaluate gems to see if specific gems are DPK and if specific gems are RNG, or if there’s some kind of system where a player can either find an item through RNG or DPK, whichever occurs first. It could be any of these things, or something else. Basically, more data will be needed to come to a conclusion of what is and isn’t DPK.
I understand that you weren’t targeting me with your posts. I just thought I’d try to put the whole situation into perspective.
Some are harshly critical of claims that go against the efforts others have put forth in the attempt to prove DPK, and that is the likely reason for their negative responses to your posts about what you’ve experienced. I can understand your desire to want to defend yourself, as well; however, this will just lead to an endless cycle of back-and-forth negativity that doesn’t contribute to the topic at hand.
I mainly would just like to try and end the arguments so this thread can be as constructive as possible, if that makes sense. And I’m not here to point fingers or put blame on anyone either. I’m only interested in information pertaining to the topic.
Can you plz not ask insane things of others players ?
Why would he takes xx hours on his playtime to show you that he is right ? Because epenis ?
Not even talking about the fact that it’s way easier to prove DPK rather than RNG…
Wait for maintenance. Kill mobs until 1st gem drop. Look at number of kills. Kill mobs until 2nd gem drop or until killcount is way higher than 1st. Look at number of kills.
As for myself, I believe that DPK-gems claim since I quickly found 2 in my first week of playing (f2p launch) while I didn’t find any other since then.
Plus, there doesn’t seem to be any droprate for gems in game data, which further support the DPK claim…
That would be explained by the fact that high lvl mobs don’t? drop gems, low lvl maps are now deserts cause game ded, and DPK count resets every maintenance.
@Blehbl
Yeah Remiri is an idiot, just ignore him…
You’re making a wild assumption ^o.o^
I don’t care about being right or wrong. I care about more data.
If someone is passionate enough to make and defend a claim that deviates from other results, it shouldn’t be a problem asking them for some form of actual evidence to support the claim as opposed to Anecdotal evidence ^o.o^
It is when said evidences require hours (days ?) to collect… What I mean is asking that is actually rather indecent 
You should do it yourself if you really “care about more data” :>
Like I said calling people’s effort an “anecdotal evidence” is very inappropriate.
whoever that guy/random dude has against this DPK makes no sense. Feel like its one person with multiple account.
@Blehbl claims that their effort is important, but has no means of backing it up with actual proof for all of us to see. Instead, they give us testimonies of other players and themselves with no scientific means of analyzing their claims as actual proof.
@lemaitre_dulotus The burden of proving the claim that gems are RNG and not DPK is not on me, but on the individual making the claim to prove their statements. It doesn’t work the other way around ^o.o^
Why DPK alone (without RNG in the mix) is bad? BOTS.
If the monsters only spawn in a specific spot and you can solo it and even hop channels, then good for you. But things rarely get to be like that.
RNG, though punishing for the unluckiest, simply makes it fair for everyone, and it worked really well for other games.
DPK with RNG would be the best case scenario.
The game is already DPK with RNG. Some drops are DPK and some are RNG. A bit curious why they would implement 2 systems at the same time is beyond me, but w/e.
This thread OP has plenty links you can digest that prove DPK. You come into the thread saying you saw 2 gems drop in a way that could not happen. Expect people to tell you that you are wrong if you don’t have proof.
Still salty af, i see.
Well guess you never understood. Anecdote means funny truth, more truth than funny but the way describing the truth makes the incident sounds funny. So you are just saying people are speaking truth but still need to prove themselves but in a funny way.
@Biskee. nothing wrong with DPK alone but it is proven this game has both DPK and RNG items. Just want to clarify which one falls under DPK and which under RNG
@Remiri. no one ever proved gem is either DPK or RNG. There is no one wrong in this point until proven. It very could happen, what are the evidences of it “could not happen”? Don’t make a fool out of yourself dude. Calling people BS and treating like they are dumb is one thing. Talking yourself superior to others is another. Only makes yourself look like a joke with your stubborn trait
When you witness drops on a clear, patterned basis after playing the game for long enough, stop by again.
Again, it will always go red orb, to blue orb, to gem. There are other, easily recognizable patterns such as material drops to silver drops. It happens very methodically.
You don’t notice it if there are multiple people in the channel. There are addons that show you how many people are in a channel. You are literally the only person in a sea of people both in Korea and the Intl Servers who is saying you got 2 gems this way.
Don’t you think this theory would have been easily disproved by now? Use your head.
and the proof? oh right! all the walls of texts typed out on the forum sounds very legitimate because it claims DPK. Only RNG claims are retarded cuz when they witness RNG with just typed out words and they are not using their head amiright? Get your ■■■■ straight man lol. What a joke. Just read this thread alone can find at least 3 people witnessing RNG like drop pattern for the gem, and they all are brainless retards. I got ya.
I take it you were not around when the thread was 1st created which showed all of the OP’s research and proof. That is OK.
Believe what you will.
All the posts you mentioned are not clear if they were on the same channel for starters. Also one mentions geppetto leaves, which have a clear drop rate on tosbase.
There are plenty of things in this game that are clearly RNG. Orbs and gems are not one of them.
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