This is huuugely different. Your talking about trying to get costumes, and you end up with mats? I didn’t buy the box for mats. You see my point?
What your saying is we’re forced to compromise with something thats not even a costume. That is not the same buying as magic scrolls, whereas you can get a stat Everytime.
So why does people having costumes you can’t get bothers You but they having stats you won’t get doesnt?
@faile and you are correct again. So what does make a game being successful? Does it matter it having stat rng gamble?
Because unless those costumes drop in game, that does create an unfair balance. Never mind that the odds are never fair. And quite a few of the cash shop costumes in ToS are character bound. If not all. I didn’t look at the whole list.
unfair balance? how are cosmetic items unbalancing the game for you?
@ShyBoo Is it that different? Me getting matk when I need physatk would be pretty much the same analogy here.
It’s only about opinion, but for me it does not matter as long as it is harmless enough for the f2p users.
And thus my reasoning, if it does not matter to the success of the game, let it be and let the devs attend more urgent issues, like debugging, and additionnal content.
I’m gambling for stats.
I’m not gambling to get either stats or some mats I wasn’t looking for.
I think gambling systems in games are exploitative and immoral. It’s a fact that culturally gambling is more acceptable in asian cultures, but it’s also the case that pathological gambling looks to be a much bigger issue in asian cultures as well.
I think gaming systems that invoke gambling are just immoral. Because they prey on people who are psychologically vulnerable to such practices.
Either way you are gambling. And you know what usually happens with those? you lose. Thats the whole point of gambling.
Stated costumes that non-cash players cannot obtain through in game means are what would be unfair.
Costumes in the cash shop in the Korean version are character bound. Assuming the same trend holds true here, the statted costumes you are talking about would be unfair. The current system, even with them being most easily obtainable through RNG gambling via the cash shop, allows you to sell the items that you enchant on the auction house. That means, even if it’s a high price, the average player doesn’t have to spend real money on it.
That means that you are offered a chance to get them whether you pay or not. That is why the enchant scrolls are far more fair, in my opinion. I feel like they give greater value than their cost as well. There is no +200 hp potion instead of a bonus. I think it’s a pretty decent system compared to the way that many other games approach this.
I’m not saying you are wrong, I’m simply saying I do not like that method and really really hope that we stick with what we have. Though I advocate a higher drop rate in game.
Your missing the point, just because its gambling doesn’t mean its bad. (imo) When I gamble at least I GET stats.
Yes, personally i would prefer those kind of rng-buys as well.
BUT, and a really big but, which alot of people kinda never acknowledge.
A great deal of people who play MMO’s nowadays are in some way casual either by default or because their daily routine just doesnt allow them to invest more time. Those people, most often, are people who dont frequent forums and/or care about p2w aspects(not because the person is evil) like we do. They look into the cashshop and see:
“hey that makes me stronger! Cool i’l buy some of that!”
While cosmetics dont accomodate that urge.
Now dont get me wrong, as mentioned earlier, i’d rather have cashshop items that dont impact gameplay in any way besides the asthetics and I’m willing to pay for that. Sadly, the amount of people that dont check the forums and only play casual are the broad mass of every game, ever. They are pretty much the mass of people that covers the rest of what the cash whales do not.
We, the more “hardcore” players are in comparison so small we can’t even be called a minority because that word still indicates a too big a group.
Thus, to stop my blabbering, I do understand the reasoning behind thsoe scrolls in the shop from a economic standpoint, do i approve of that?
Obviously not.
Would my opinion in this matter help the game survive?
No, it would cause quite the opposite probably.
So, in that sense I’m atleast happy that they implemented the “p2w” part every f2pMMO needs to survive in a way that isn’t to broken.
And before anyone starts with:
“But there are successful MMO games that arent p2w”
Don’t compare games of different Genres (eg. LoL) or different Magnitude(eg.WoW) or with a ridiculous, filthy rich, hardcore fanbase which accrued over years(eg. Dota).
Those have a followings of a decade and thus are hardly comparable to little f2p Projects that have to compete with said Titans.
I think he mean “I rather be weak than ugly” young ppl cant spell correctly in these days and they need some spelling corrections 
Stats you cant use. You lost anyway. At least you can use mats and potions cant you 
RNG bullshit is how every game starts goin P2W.
What if I’m done lvling my equips that need mats, and I want a costume because I don’t need potions in dungeons?
If you guys think the stats are so little and aren’t going to effect the game, why fight to keep something in store that doesn’t even hardly matter to you at all?
Is having something that doesn’t matter to you worth the cost of angering so many players?
If you want to advocate something that IMC can make money off of, then suggest something else that would please everyone, so that way you don’t aid in driving away some of IMC’s customers while also giving an idea that most of the customers would not only want to buy but feel good about buying it.
The risk of having this item for something you don’t really care about seems silly.
You do the same you would do with those crap stats you got, nothing.
@Vanaan , Seeing things from that perspective it does make sense. My biggest fears here is that this might open windows to more dangereous things that could force me to either whale or quit. I dont have the money to whale and I dont want to quit. So I guess I will just have to trust IMC on this.
Harmless doesn’t mean useless. There isn’t going to be some OP damage from them but they certainly can make leveling a little more fun, especially for off-beat builds. Having a bit of extra padding or defense can make the difference between constantly faceplanting and being still alive after that 9999 attack while your potion is on cool down.
Now I’m not saying that there aren’t alternatives, it’s just I’ve yet to see an alternative for it that actually looks appealing and still carries over a sense of being fair for the reasons I stated above.
It also does the same thing removing it. Your asking for them to cater to your needs, but what about my needs?
Don’t remove it is what I’m saying. I’m saying if its minimal you shouldn’t have to worry about it. There’s no reason to remove it if its minimal.
It’s very interesting you point this out then. If this is what your saying is the huge arguement breaker, what about the fact your talking about getting a costume out of 16 possible choices? Whereas if you use a magic scroll you have many stats that aid your chara. Very different.
For example in tera, 1/16 chance to get the costume, whereas with magic scrolls there’s mvmspd, hp, sp, elements. right there thats 4/19. I’m also probly missing something to, so there’s that.