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DEX vs STR debate

Class and Rank Archer
#242

My whole problem stems from being a split in stat needs as a2 qs 3 flac musk.

My Musk wants high crit to benefit my heavy hitting skills

My QS wants str for auto attacks.

Not to mention our skills are multi hit based so that favors str for multishot but crit for covering fire.

How would one go about setting themselves up to benefit both sides or does it come down to picking one over the other?
I was originally running a str. dex hybrid with it leaning more to dex over str. Due to haveing multi founders packs I switched my build to see how the Koreans play with 50 str.50 con. rest dex build. My survivability has skyrocketed due to insane dodge but my autos are lacking. My Musk skills ALWAYS crit at this point haveing 517 crit rate without swift.

How do I find a good balance to fully utilize my class set up. Without killing my survivability. I know full str wouth be the best for auto builds but With archer being so lacking in HP I like the higher dodge rate. When it comes to magic I’m just screwed and I realise this

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#243

@sirken14 maybe then you could say they don’t sinergize well? just asking

#244

I wouldn’t say there is bad synergy it just leaves you in a weird place. The brust potintial musk brings to fill in the gap of time between your RS CD is significant dmg don’t get me wrong. The only issues being you have to sacrifice dps from autos to ensure those heavy hits crits.

It just comes down to finding a good balance in the numbers. I mean my auto dmg is less with less str yah but my numbers are about the same as I’m always critting my autos. I’m just trying to find that good mix. Full dex is nice for survivability as well just not so much raw dmg. But staying alive longer means you can deal dmg longer. The longer you can stay kneeling the more dps you are putting out at a higher rate of fire.

#245

How can i tell if my crit rate is good enough for 100% crit rate?
When should i stop putting points in dex to not have wasted points?
I get that enemies have different crit resist, so its hard to tell, but i bet someone calculated the best DEX value. I heard its 231 DEX value (without any bonuses in gear), wich is 177 points put in DEX. Is that correct? Can i stop at this point and invest in STR?

#246

(crit rate - crit defense) * 42 / your level = critical chance

The value of dex is based on what your base damage is, which varies from skill to skill. Its very hard to pin down an ideal amount.

Play with the spreadsheet linked here if you’re really interested.

#247

its kind of weird that the higher you level, your crit chance decreases if you don’t keep your dex/crit rate up, what kind of sense is that.

Need help regarding archer skills and stats distribution
#248

Well the thing is at 280 max you can no longer out lv the end game mobs. So you would normaly just crit on thing 100 lower then you but now your lv is even with your targets. So the equation for mob crit resist favors the mobsvand we need more.

#249

Uh you raise crit rate to counter mobs crit resistance? o.O

Archer DEX vs STR
#250

it make more sense if it was (crit rate - crit defense) *42/mobs level = chance.

Like say the mob is say lv150 and has 0 crit defense.
your also lv150

your crit rate is 140, so your crit chance is 39.2%

You level 10 times and decided that you you need more con, so you put it all in con and your crit rate stays at 140.

You can back to the mob to farm something.
And now your lv160 and your crit rate is now 36.75% on the mob. like huh?

#251

So any1 could come out conclusion which to go if I’m going qs3>a2>musket?

130 pts to Dex
30 pts con
Rest Str? Is that viable to pve+ pvp?

#252

I actually have the same thought. Sadly, other people just really can’t see the big picture.

#253

Let’s say im going for A3>QS3>MUSK aiming for atleast 70% crit rate assuming the the highest crit resist available in this game by mobs/bosses
While on KS with max attrib+RS+SS with max attrib mode how many crit rate i would need or how many points i shoud invest on dex to achieve this considering green gems plus 2x sissel

#254

you will need about 75 DEX crit, if you use double sissl, max penta and ONLY green gems to be crit capped in the current content.

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#255

Didn’t know there was a crit cap, what is it?

#256

100% chance to crit. You can’t double crit or anything in ToS.

There might be a cap below that, but its unconfirmed.

#257

I’m confused as to how you can reach 100% crit chance with just 75 dex, double sissel, max peta, and green gems (level 6). Wouldn’t you need 600+ crit rate at level 280 and considering crit resist as well?

#258

Sure. and an archer gets 1/5 a level and has +25% while in swift step.
56 from levels
9 from base dex
37 per sissel
14 max peta
32/32/42/42 from gems, though musket only gets 32/32/32

So he has ~249*.25 = 311 before dex.

He needs 100*280/42+160 = 826 to crit 100% on things with 160 crit defense.
661 before swift step. So he needs ~412 more crit rate from dex and other equipment. 280 points in dex only gets you 360 or so.

But perhaps I am missing a few things.

#259

so how does that mean you only need 75 dex if you need 400~ more crit rate

#260

collection give crit rate , quest give free bonus stats point , enchant headgear , awakening , mana2 + crit gem , isbality 3 slot crit gem

#261

320 crit rate from high spr zalcai.