My mistake on my last reply, sorry~
1 STR give 1 Crit Damage.
So DEX does not give Crit Damage.
well SPR for swordies is basically SP pool for skill spamming classes like Fencers. But i personally did not take any SPR myself (Fencer), rather invest my points into DEX, STR, CON instead… rather get high on SP pots.
Full STR will never win against a full DEX player. (Miss?) + end game gear.
Full DEX will never win against a full CON player. (Crit resistance?) + end game gear.
Full CON will never win against a full INT player.( CC?) + end game gear.
In other words, never ever go full retard. Check end game gears, your own skill build, and end game PvE and PvP content.
You won’t win on anything if you don’t find a sinergy between your skills, stats and gear.
And about World Bosses, is the same thing, there’s bosses you may stand a chance depending if they are cloth/leather/plate or ghost armor type.
Ex: You try to fight Dullahan against a 280 W3ele3WL1 (not stupid and with decent gear) knowing the boss has ghost armor. Forget about winning even if you’re full STR or DEX.
Knowledge is your best STAT on TOS.
Well, see, full CON>INT is not really true, which is why the whole stat balance is so messed up and PvP characters all go full/high CON. CON>DEX>STR, but no stat gives you an advantage over CON.
Thats why, saving myself the trouble, im just gonna go along with the
crowd nodding “yes , str is a must for swordie”, but deep down, screw
you~
You honestly don’t have to do that anymore. I’m pretty sure by now most people have realized it’d probably be easier to talk Kanye West out of running for president in 2020 than to convince you anything ever.
I also think its nice of you to make a thread for people like yourself, but damn you’re still sub 200? My archer is close to 160 now and i don’t even play that much.
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Good for you.
/20 char
So maybe the swordsman itself is the problem?
You’re only just realizing that now? No one likes taking swordsman in ET, str or not, and if they do they probably won’t even succeed. Atm, swordsmen aren’t good for ET at all.
I don’t know where you’re getting the 'Full Str in ET" but from what i have read, and i’ve read alot, “swordsmen are fairly useless in ET” are what people are saying, with a notable exception of High con Pelt squire, since squire tanks can fix your gears, provide useful party buffs and is just generally nice to have around. Many people have done ET with no swordsmen in their party. It’s 100% doable.
My build is not for ET clearing but for GW and battle league.
You can’t dodge magic so wizards are just going to melt you. (But they pretty much melt everyone anyway. You just die faster.) You can definitely have a good time killing full str or str/con swordsmen because they’re gonna have trouble hitting you, and some archers, since the whole class is weak against cata in general (can’t kite them, can’t knock them back), though
why on earth would a full str or str/con swordsman ever PVP is still a mystery to me.
GvG will most likely be a nightmare for you because most pvp guilds i know prioritize getting cc wizards/archers/ plague doctors, but I’ve seen Str/con SW3 Catagoon doing extremely well in pvp with a plague doctor babysitting him.
Battleleague is probably where you will shine the most if you are up against certain lineup. Little magic damage, cc…etc. Wizards are also getting nerfed in ktos so sw3 Catagoon ( and swordsmen in general) will be much better, but having full dex means you won’t benefit much from the recent STR buff to swordsmen, but if you’re going full dex you probably don’t care about that anyway.
Im happy actually that swordie will get str buffs it means more swordie will pool their stats on str. I can easily maintain 85% dodge rate against them because of that. Imagine we can spend 1 dex = 3 dodge at higher levels, str swordie can only get 1 accuracy from 1 dex. My point is dodge just keep getting higher compared to accuracy at higher levels
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Str/con swordie will have a rough time against full time fully buffs dex archer probably around 1.4k dodge or more.
That still doesn’t answer the question why would a clearly Pve oriented swordsmen decide to pvp and I don’t consider “well he noob” an answer, btw.
PVP for swordsmen is ass in general, and restrain and impaler are useless against PD buff.
Wizard with animus and aiaz can go full con with 30k hp and still blow things up. Rogue can shrekt evasions, or just go cloak and destroy your backline while wizards hard cc you and blow you up later. Crit resistance gear also help migate crit damage, which dex swordie are heavily relying on.
The fact is, sword3/cata3 may be “viable” in pvp but it doesn’t make it “good”. it’s decent only against certain lineups and scenrios, even if they’re buffed by cleric.
still doesnt change the fact Dex/Con or Dex/Con/Str is good.
If you’re going dex sw3/cata3 dex/con is pretty useless because you’re not gonna be tanking with that extra 3-4k hp anyway. plus the higher level you are the more crit rate (dex) you need to maintain a healthy crit chance so you Might as well go full dex.
Dex/con/st
Looks like its a good day for DEX swordies
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I’m glad I got it, but really it’s just some invisible necklace that gives some stats. Way less cool than a Cata Pike lol.
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Str/con swordie will have a rough time against full time fully buffs dex archer probably around 1.4k dodge or more.
That still doesn’t answer the question why would a clearly Pve oriented swordsmen decide to pvp and I don’t consider “well he noob” an answer, btw.[/quote]
It shows the problem of catagoon str/con build against dodge archers, compare to high dex or full dex cata. If you spend high dex youre guaranteed can kill an archer whereas going str or con hybrid will have a hard time hitting them, assuming you can get close at all.
Swordie have lots of KD, even though you cant kill them you can still stall them long enough for your killers to kill them. EW KD, DP KD, Bash.
You dont go there exposing your body in magics harm ways. Let them use their skills 1st when in CD then you can try to enter using your cloth + sage wall on your weapon switch. Its better to kill fellow swordsmen or archers than going after wiz or clerics. So thats why it would swordie vs swordie, swordie vs archers scenario.
Very tricky to use swordie but it is not impossible as what most people think. If you go there to kill clerics then it is impossible.
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If you have good dodge that poor swordie without dex going after you will “WTF is this dude he has failure build? Swordie shouldnt have lots of dodge”. I can see dodge swordie will benefit at lvl 300-500 levels. Even now i think i can wall physical with 1.3k eva then sword + Aias with stone skin. Crit scales with your weapon power so your damage wouldnt fall that much too.
It shows the problem of catagoon str/con build against dodge archers, compare to high dex or full dex cata. If you spend high dex youre guaranteed can kill an archer whereas going str or con hybrid will have a hard time hitting them, assuming you can get close at all.
str/con build is meant for pve, which is pretty much 90% of the game content now. Beating a Str/con cata is like saying you beat a sorcerer in pvp.
if you’re talking about pve you only need about 50 dex to hit archer mob reliably. Not sure why you keep trying to compare a clearly pvp oriented build to a pve Str/con allocation.
If it’s any consolidation to you, however, one of the str/con cata once topped the battleground leaderboard. That’s only because he had a PD babysitting all the time, however. cata who opted for Str/con builds are meant for pve in most cases. You’d need 100+ dex to reliably hit ppl in pvp and it gimps your pve build so you might as well not do it.
Comparing pvp swordie to pve swordie is like comparing rock to egg. You can throw rocks and hurt people but you can’t eat it. Each excels at different part of the game.
Swordie have lots of KD, even though you cant kill them you can still stall them long enough for your killers to kill them. EW KD, DP KD, Bash.
I think you’re missing the fact that swordie have to be at melee range to KD and if the opponent just let you run up to them to use KD they deserve to lose. Also ice wall.
Very tricky to use swordie but it is not impossible as what most people think. If you go there to kill clerics then it is impossible.
Nothing is impossible. Sorcerer can pvp also. Full Con rode/squire can pvp also. The “tricky to use part” just means exactly what i said, “It’s ass”, as in pain in the ass.
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It’s more like a full dex being nerd in HS against a cool-looking macho football player (pelt tank). Where as the pelt get all the girls and get laid and the nerd can only fap on his anime waifu.
Its nothing you need to be consoled over for if you’re having fun. Other people’s opinions are just other people’s opinions. If you are that good you can make a full dex cata work in post 240 then hats off to you.
There are noobs in every facet of the game. I’ve seen so many sw3/cata3 so called “dps” forgot to switch off provoke and screw up the aggro, or die to 3 magic missle due to mispositioning, miss earth waves, forgot to cast PB and have their rush interrupted like a pleb. They do this even though they’re already dealing less damage due to their lower str. Likewise i’ve beaten high dex cata in duels simply by kiting (having more points in trot, KD to interrupt charge when PD is down). Does that mean my build is good for pvp? nope.
A build is not a failure if you make it work.
And its extremely easy to make it work at lower levels. I’m tempted to make a full Spr swordsman just to see how far i can push it, but there comes a time in 240+ when the real test begins, and whether or not you can make it through that hurdle will be the real indicator of your skill and build.
PS. Professor X and his mutants are actually IMBA but they’re prejudiced against because they’re so imba. Just fyi