50 attribute upgrade on concentrate is cheap
and under R4, +100 dmg is no kidding
True Spell user have heal
Concentrate, gung ho, and restrain scale terribly in the late game.
Sorry
I think itās fair to say when we all played sword c3 it was fairly crap, lets just wait to see if itāll get any changes then make some judgement.
That being said restrain10 can greatly help ya ā ā ā ā on other swordies. I also donāt see where restrain falls off? Itās proc rate never seemed to drop against high level mobs. So y u lie? (Agree with concentrate and gungho tho)
The problem with Restrain is itās RNG nature, one knows this when getting the skill so you are prepaed to get it from time to time, which is fine at first.
But then you use it, and it fails and fails again to the point it becomes something akin to this.
Milleage can vary a lot, but the general commentary on it seems to be that, and Iām part of the people that make that commentary.
If you went swordc2/level 5 restrain, I can see how it wouldnāt feel very effective. I suffered with restrainā¦I know how effective it can/canāt beā¦ However were all free to our opinions and I like the skill. Regardless of the collective opinion.
Wait isnāt dis a mage thread? disappears
Sorry, but what do you mean by this, do you mean that you can no longer have your Sorc Summons out at the same time as your necro summons ??
Letās talk about Runecaster now, I think with Isa and Thurisaz, mage is once again back on top DPS bracket again, not only they can freeze, deal high damage, OP buff, and hagalaz lightning damage?
But, once again, the class it too good (buff and dps) to obsolete other classes.
Iām kind of worry how IMC is introduce new OP class to obsolete the current available classes, also introduce of +stat headgear has been damaging the balance.
It is again route toward wiz3-ele3 the singularity best dps wizard. it seem too well support this build imo.
Yeah, except they change that 10s cast time i donāt think there are any other viable dps route for rune caster (wiz 3 - linker 2 maybe).
@MaxMisa
You can but i dont think its a good build, you need at least rank 8 for that (sorc 2 - Necro 2)
You used to be able to have the sorcerer summon with the command skills and necromancerās shoggoth + skeletons all at the same time on rank 6. They moved the command skills to sorcerer c2 and the skeletons to necromancer c2, so now on rank 6 you will only have a dumb sorcerer summon (not that bad imo) and the necromancerās shoggoth, and will need at least rank 7 to get the skeletons again.
Thatās why people say double summoner is not possible anymore, although I still think it can be pretty strong.
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As far as I know, Pyro c2 Ele c3 outdamages Wiz c3 Ele c3, simply because you still donāt have enough skills to make Quick Castās extra MATK outdamage Pyro c2 skills.
Itās fairly simple, considering Fire Pillar does 2hits/sec(5:12), you can come up very easily with how much MATK damage Pyro c2 does(X=MATK). Considering Flame Ground to last for 20 secs to match Hailās duration.
2 Fireballs + Flame Ground +Fire Pillar : (4680 + 20X) + (3420 + 20X) + (3864 + 24X) =
11964 + 64X
Now, moving to Elementalistās damage, Iāll only count Hail and Frost Cloud, because those are the skills that matters the most and thatās all youāll be using most of the time.
Hailās Hit Count is a bit hard to figure out, but I think 2 hits/sec is a valid number. Frost Cloud seem to do 32 Hits, found that out using this video : Run at 0.25 speed
Overall, it looks like Hail does 40 hits, so 40X and Frost Cloud, 32X. Since weāre trying to compare the extra Quick Cast damage comparing to Pyro c2, thereās no need to use the Skillās base damages, that said; 400,5X + 320,5X = 36X is what you get from Quick Cast. So, in order for the Elementalist to deal as much damage, heād need more skills that sums up 56 more hits(28X * 2 since Quick Cast is +50%). You can argue that you can use skills like Energy Bolt, Freezing Sphere, Magic Missile or Eletrocute during that time but thatās not going to count up 56 Hits. Soā¦ Yeah, Pyro c2 Ele c3 deals more damage than Wiz c3 Ele c3, and even when Quick Cast beings to out damage Pyro c2, itās not going to be by such a huge amountā¦ Unless Rank 8+ classes have insane hit counts.
Quick Cast is not OP guysā¦
EDIT: Please DO keep in mind that I didnāt consider that the Pyro c2 would have ATTRIBUTES on those skills, which would increase the damage gap by ALOT.
You are right and it was proved in another topic, I still wonder how big the diffrence is after the wiz3 buffs. I am bad at numbers -_-
We also donāt know if one of the higher ranks is a fire mage having synergy with Pyro, especially with the fire explosion attr.
What bothers me now is that wiz class is being forced into support roles since it does not seem to do enouph damage to be on par with archers even in aoeā¦
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Edit: Actually i think thurisaz is hit point increase and not damage, would need in game clarification.
On another note warlock looks pretty strong now, the multi hit on spheres was really needed as single hits mostly have no place at this point in the game with the current formulas, especially when one of the main mechanic of warlock is popping those after killing a mob with 40k+ hp.
youtu.be/1xAWh8siG6U current pry-link soloing some 217 instance. They do alright on dmg.
Iām wondering how W3/Ele3/Rune will hold up. 3x dmg on frost spells every few min sounds pretty fun for bosses. I want to see a video of an enormous Wizard striding up to a boss fully buffed and gibbing them. Preferrably one also buffed by a thaum for maximum cranium size.
Its true pyro 2 ele 3 out dmg wiz 3 ele 3 but at rank 7+ Quick Cast definitely outdmg pyro 2 skills. Not just dmg but many other aspects also.
There are many things you should consider:
- Fire pillar has very long cd (95s)
- Flame Ground ticks slow and nothing would stay at the same spot for over 25s
- Fireball suck in party play and hard to get full hits without linker.
Quick Cast has none of these downsides.
Not to mention your electrocute/hail/meteor (or any skill with cast time) easily get interupted without Wiz 3 or linker/cc.
And you can save up your silver to upgrade stronger skills instead of pyro skills.
Furthermore, Warlock just got a huge buff today with alot more hit counts so Wiz 3 is a much better choice for it.
Edit: I forgot to mention pyro is really suck in field boss hunt duo to this thing
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Also to add as more ranks get added to the game wizards focused on damage roles will fall further and further behind wizards with Quickcast. I think if youāre making a damage wizard. Youāre going to shot yourself in the foot not picking up wizard 3 when everyoneās lv320-400.
Wiz is being forced to support because itās behind archer dps, even in AoE? Iām around lvl 200, and have yet to experience such a thing. I still would love to have a pyro2 or ele3 in the party, as it makes dungeoning / boss hunting much easier. Archers are rarely as useful, unless theyāve gone specific builds that can handle AoE. Can you explain why you think this is true?
What is the move being used at the beginning of the video?
how many second in? the first skill is posession- sadhu skill