[Class] I Foresee an Oracle Thread

[pippo]

Does Change affect multiple targets or just one?

[iLinked]

Hi, which one is better for support and solo as well,

1. C2>diev3>oracle2
2. C2>diev3>oracle>PD
3. or any other combination C2>diev3>x>x?

I’m currently C2>diev3…

[AryiaRose]

okay currently i am not at my comp so ill keep it short n sweet till i get home i am planning to go oracle>kab for the mana/sp of kab tbh there are way too many pd’s out there :< altho depending on oracle 3 i might change it to c2>diev3>oracle2. but i would say pd or kab for the support or priest1 for pve dungeon ressing then oracle or pd

it also depends if youre planning to pvp or pve if pvp maybe oracle>pd then

[krocsyl]

just one
/20character

[mrshadowccg]

I think Oracle C2 is quite weak at the moment. Therefore I don’t really recommend any builds with Oracle C2.

Cleric 2 -> Diev 3 -> Oracle -> Kab or PD are both good choices, PD being slightly more oriented towards PvM.

Counter Spell can remove Rise ? if i cast near it.

I’m almost sure it does in PvP, but if you’re trapped in Rise you obviously won’t be able to cast it.

It removes your own party member’s rise in PvM, for example.

[Naivety]

Is Prophecy at lv1 viable (mostly for PvM)? I wanted to take points from it so that I can get Counterspell lv5, Arcane Energy lv5, and every other skill at lv1… Change would be there for killing bots.

[mrshadowccg]

Is Prophecy at lv1 viable (mostly for PvM)?

The buff is only going to last 10 seconds and have a cooldown of 25. If you can’t afford to take it at least to level 4 (to have 100% uptime), then it’s probably not worth spending points on it at all.

10 seconds is so short you’ll eventually give up on casting it so you don’t have to go through the casting animation of ~1 second.

But I would still recommend you to either max prophecy or not take it at all. 5 seconds more duration is very welcome in a 25 seconds duration buff (skill level 4 compared to level 5).

EDIT:
Well both Prophecy lvl 1 or Change lvl 2 are going to be really bad.

[Naivety]

[quote=“mrshadowccg, post:47, topic:288680”]
The buff is only going to last 10 seconds and have a cooldown of 25. If you can’t afford to take it at least to level 4 (to have 100% uptime), then it’s probably not worth spending points on it at all.

10 seconds is so short you’ll eventually give up on casting it so you don’t have to go through the casting animation of ~1 second.

But I would still recommend you to either max prophecy or not take it at all. 5 seconds more duration is very welcome in a 25 seconds duration buff (skill level 4 compared to level 5).
[/quote]Oh, I thought leveling it only increased the number of stacks. Alright then, thanks for the info.

I guess it’s viable to just not take it entirely because Counterspell still exists, but still, is Prophecy that good? I have a hard time seeing how it’s meant to be useful in PvM.

(And yeah, Change lv1 is only there for stopping bots, as I mentioned earlier)

[AHopz]

Counter spell blocks magic damage.
Prophecy blocks level 1 debuff.

They have different uses.

[mrshadowccg]

Well at early levels you barely ever have trouble with status effects from mobs.

When you reach level 130 you finally meet those nice loftlem in main chamber that can perma-freeze you to death with Ice Bolts if you don’t dodge them.

Then there are also some other monsters that cast some annoying spells like sleep, poison, silence, petrification, etc.

And at higher levels it can be a problem if a monster freezes you cause stuff will start hitting so hard that you might not even last 5 seconds standing still while frozen.

It’s obviously not essential, but it’s a nice thing to have. It also protects you from a few damaging spells like Fire Pillar (because the damage is passed through by a debuff) but the hit block count will decrease pretty fast.

Counter spell blocks magic damage.Prophecy blocks level 1 debuff.

They have different uses.

Oh yeah, I didn’t realize but maybe that’s something you’re actually confusing, Naivety. Counter spell doesn’t really block debuffs, only magical damage.

[Naivety]

@AHopz I’m aware. What I meant is that the class’d still be worth it even with Counterspell alone.

@mrshadowccg I see. It probably has significantly more usage than Arcane Energy then… what about Clairvoyance and Resetting’s usefulness? I know from this thread that Clairvoyance doesn’t always work, but am I right in assuming it should work most of the time?

[mrshadowccg]

Resetting and Clairvoyance are mostly there for when you meet a jackpot mob (or a rare mob with rare drops).

On the very specific scenarios where you do have a jackpot mob with you and no other players around (so they don’t KS you), those two skills are actually useful to keep rerolling the mob’s drop to find a good drop. But even then, it’s still annoying to have to wait on Resetting’s cooldown to roll each time (150 seconds is a lot!).

On almost every other scenario, the skills are nearly useless. The skills are barely worth it for hunting and rerolling for common mobs materials (unless we are talking about 60k+ hp mobs).

And yeah, sometimes the skills are just buggy and don’t predict things right. I still need to do more testing to find out the reason that causes that.

[AHopz]

kTOS General Thread (keep all in-game discussion here)

[image] Patch Notes Available : 16/06/2016 - KTOS

"Oracle:
- Counter Spell:
- You can remove debuffs on allies.
- Deployment type spells cannot be removed by Counter Spell.
- (New) Counter Spell: Enemy Target Attribute:
- When this attribute is active, it exclusively nullifies the enemy’s magic."

So… I don’t know what to think about it.

[mrshadowccg]

Just posted about it in the other thread!

[ Cleric Changelog ] Cleric changes from kTOS and iTOS

I wonder how exactly these changes will affect counter spell.

• What does it mean that it “exclusively nullfies enemy’s magic” if deployment spells cannot be removed anymore? Will the attribute remove enemies AoE during Counter Spell placement, and will it prevent them from further placing the AoEs?

• What rank of debuff does it remove? Does it further prevent them from being affected by the debuffs or just remove the debuffs once?

[AHopz]

I had never seen this thread. Good to know.
And seriously how fast you can reply Shadow?

[mrshadowccg]

I’m seeing these counter spell changes being pretty good for PvM. One of the most annoying things with that skill was dispelling your own party members AoEs.

And seriously how fast you can reply Shadow?

Well if you keep the forums open in your browser you’ll get a notification even if your browser is minimized and you’re doing something else in the computer

[tassardar]

Sounds like a good buff to counter spell. Though really ambiguous sounding of exclusively remove enemy magic. Isn’t it something you will surely get then hmm. Unless it’s c2 or something

[Haseo]

[pixelp0p]

Thanks for making this thread! I have a lot of fun playing my Oracle and hope they add something to C2 next time they buff the class. <3 (& reduce some cds…)

And… I like the resetting skill? It actually helps me to farm mats for recipes. It adds some tension & fun to it lol Also yesterday I changed a monster into… nothing! orz

[Avidity]

resetting and clairvoyance doesnt work on jackpot mobs tho