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[Legacy Guide] [Outdated after Re:BUILD patch] Hackapell & Rogue Class Lounge

Class and Rank Archer
#1314

Right now I recommend hacka2 over hacka3 unless you really love a little bit stronger grind cutter. Falcon3 hacka2 definitely good choice. New bigger AoE on hacka skills will be nice with falconer aiming. Circling helps archer naturally low AoE status. And new falconer aiming is immune to destruction skills.

After testing, the grind cutter combo with CavalryCharge Circle3 attribute (bonus crit grind cutter damage) attribute does not improve damage (a lot). Unless the crit attack is based on your crit-attack-damage status, instead of a final +50% damage. On a 5s duration.
For bonus crit damage, pick ranger1 to get 5 critical shot damage buff stacks. Ranger’s buff is better and 100% up-time.

The pain barrier attribute at hacka3 is just 20s duration (60s cooldown on Hakka Pelle skill).

Hacka3 infinite assault is lacking. Needs buff or will not be worth.
Edit: is a ‘fake’ multi-hit too, always shows 3 crits or 3 non-crits.

Let’s wait for next ktest patch for additional rebalances.

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#1315

Don’t think there’s enough circle for Ranger 1 though, unless sacrifice QS3. Archer2 is a must for critical chance without rogue.

#1316

I had to use my internet phone, the damage is not great but it’s a change unlike random challenge farming => https://youtu.be/MzC8XankIgI Archer1/ranger3/rogue3/hackapell2 in raid 360 we somehow lost one member who had ping over 1000 for the entire duration of the boss fight.

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#1317

ranger 3 fletcher 3 hacka 2 (c3 hacka on r10 ofc)
with a xbow primus +11 trans 10 & 1hsword primus +16 trans 10 (until i get 380 weapons)
is it good or no ?

ps : with all dmg atributes 50+ at least

#1318

When it comes to skillfactor others hackapell’s variant damage don’t stand a chance from my point of view to memeranger3fletcher3.

#1319

@SpeeD yes, especially fletcher3 is quite good for damage output. Magic arrow spam, and the bodkin arrow defence reduction are very strong.

@Zenigame archer2 is a good choice too. For Quarrel 3 - falconer3 builds, the filling rank could be
Ranger1 (critical shot buff), but needs to compensate with crit rate gear/gem or have another archer2 with shared swift step attribute.
Archer2 for crit rate swift step.
Appraiser for blindside debuff, devaluate. Overestimate if you use shield and put sword on auto-swap. Overestimate does not affect hackapel sword though.
Rogue1 sneak hit mainly for bossing. Hackapel dash for quick rear reposition.

Hackapel cavalry charge debuff gives all physical attacks on the target an estimated final 33% crit chance.

New SP cost reductions

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#1320

best quarrel skill nerfed af, it was so good to block an attack and gain such huge power boost.

#1321

Just watched hacka videos. Nothing special about infinite assault. Hit 3x, prolly should make it at least x6 or more to consider it infinite and decent damage.

Grind cutter new attribute, dunno if it’s stack or multiply with ranger crit and other +crit damage multiplier. My grind cutter on velco is 45k 6x. If its multiply with current buff, 67.5k 6x ain’t bad.
@greyhiem You still think 50% calculate from stat crit atk is better?

And hakkapelle buff, it supposed to be castable while moving. Haven’t seen in video but the long animation what made me hesitate to use it. Looking forward to this.

#1322

IMC need to put more effort in a C3 skill like Infinite Assault, you can see they don’t even try, someting like a debuff or a buff or Knockdown when hit someting like that, too many options not just boring damage -_-

#1323

I’m hoping they messed up the coding -_-
Prolly ‘infinite’ assault supposed to do 3x strike 3x slash, 3x stab, 3x missile with jumping around animation with bloody overdrive-like random hit rate but still hit all if it’s boss. Meh, hope the skill improve soon.

#1324

50% calculate from crit attack stat is worse, I think.

Ranger crit buff multiplies your final damage on crit by x1.5, that’s good.
I read new hackapel Cavalry charge: grind cutter crit-damage attribute stacks with the ranger buff, so final grind cutter damage is doubled when critting. Because grind cutter skill is fake multi-hit it is easy to have all hits crit.
New grind cutter SP cost quite low, so less SP problems. sp cost post here

I am also quite sure the new infinite assault is a 3 hit fake multi too. No overheat and average damage (compared to other C3 skill). Hopefully today some new ktest rebalances will hit and infinite assault gets buffed. Right now it is just a cavalry charge without overheat or debuff.

@atomsk.cs yes, prefer higher damage with shield after missile-block vs more movespeed. More movement speed is only useful to reposition for rogue sneaky hit faster. Though hackapel dash solves most reposition problems already.

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#1325

Does it work for every archer build?

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#1326

Wait wut? So it’s x1.5 from criting baseline then another x1.5 from the ranger buff? I thought it was like the highlander 2H sword att where its +50% to the baseline effect of crit. 100% (base damage) + 50% (crit) + 50% (additional crit damage).

#1327

yeah Fencer 3 must be crying in the corner now that ALL archer can get 50% crit damage from a Rank 2 Circle 1 class with 100% uptime while Fencer 3 Epee Garde is not even a 100% uptime.

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#1328

This is the kick to the nutz right here. You only need to spend 1 rank for it.

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#1329

Yes. Ranger critical shot buff applies to all your crits, regardless of build or crit source. Good 1 circle investment for crits.

I am not sure about the formula. But if you crit 1000 normally, at 5 stacks your yellow damage will be close to 1500. Can easily try it with ranger’s own critical shot (100% crit).

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#1330

If they don’t fix or nerf this it means archer entire ranks get a free 100 attributes if we make a critical damage “thanks” to ranger1 buff.

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#1331

well, at least falc3 hacka 2 sounds pretty damn good

#1332

Hi, may I ask if archer - X - schwarzer reiter(1 or 2) - hackapell2 is a possible build now, or with the future update on archers?
I haven’t played SR before, but I would like to try both SR and hackapell in one build.
Could anyone advise me the stats allocation and rank choice of X(if possible) about this kind of hackapell? Thanks.

#1333

Isn’t SR only good for the C3 limacon spread attribute? If so then I think you meant SR3 and Hacka2 at rank 10. It does sound good if you don’t mind investing in both pistol and sword… and maybe even crossbow as well. 3 weapons… if you share these weapons with other characters, it’s ok.