this forum becomes more and more disgusting with all those whiny threads and the worst are the class reset topics.
There should never ever exists something like this. if it comes to a class reset in this game, we can say bye bye, there is no reason to play this game anymore. Everyone will play the same class at end game and that’s it.
go and reroll instead of writing crying novels, takes the same time.
People are missing the point of this game with threads like these.
This type of game is all about making something that’s hard to level so in turn it is rewarding later, or making a char that farms well but will fall off lategame etc etc. It’s about pre-planning and leveling is part of the plan on its own. “You have to put in circle reset in this game” is like saying “there has to be an ‘aimbot for 5$’ button in CS-GO because some people are poor shots and they will quit”.
There are games that ask you to be quick, there are games that ask you to be cunning in order to be successful, or ones that ask you have a good mouse and aim - this one requires you to have time, a brain and ability to plan ahead. Just because this type of gameplay is not to your liking it does not mean you need to be able to buy the best possible build with zero effort.
I agree that shouldn’t be a circle reset just if you screwed your build, but I also think they should force (yes, force) one after implementing another rank, because so much will change.
I’m getting pretty tired of you acting like rerolling a new character is a form of content.
Rolling an alt should always be something you can do for fun, but never damn near required because of poor design and lack of an ability to fix a character build mistake.
Many people don’t like alts, they’d rather focus their efforts on to one character. Rolling a brand new character is not peaches and ice cream, you can’t transfer money, you can’t transfer gear without being premium, you can’t move your TP items.
This is one of the most alt unfriendly games in existence, and you want people to happily roll an alt in lieu of any better ideas for an arbitrarily restrictive class system that promotes ■■■■ ups?
Hah, asta la vista, they are gone. And when too many are gone, that affects IMC’s bottom line. I don’t care how much a god damned fan boy you are of the hardcore days where you got lynched for your time making a character mistake but that ■■■■ doesn’t work today, its a different kind of gamers that make up the majority now.
I’ll make you a bet, IMC will add something of this nature in the future. It WILL happen, it’s inevitable, so get used to the thought.
So…if they reroll…isn’t everyone playing the same class at the end anyway? I mean, the alternative is that they quit and then that’s just one less player you ever see at all.
I see your point and agree with you, there shouldn’t be a class reset system in TOS, since it’s design is “pre-planned build”, but TOS doesn’t give info about much stuff, how i’am supposed to make a pre planned build without info?
People are forgetting that the site that gives us info is TOSBASE not IMC, tos base is allowing people to pre plan builds and status, if we went with IMC design we would have 0 info, look at this site, tell me if they give you any info about any classes, people are defendig “no reset system” because they can plan before, but actually they can’t, at least not in an official way.
Make a character with all the information THIS SITE(i’m excluding all outside info, forum chat is ok, but calculators, and class descryption in other sites are forbidden) gives you, and then you tell me how much “pre-plan” you can do.
People don’t need “aimbot” because they can aim, exclude the aim system and you’ll hear people complaining about it a lot.
So actually, TOS base is on REROLL not planning, as ragnarok, @ravenk36 made a good example of what TOS is (my brother made exactly that with a level 86 knight in ragnarok), but in tos different from ragnarok, you can’t pass items, you can’t trade, (vip status doesn’t count, it’s a ftp game remember?) so actually, you restart a character from zero each time you make a mistake, stats or skills or cycle.
So, TOS is a REROLL game, "without alts"and without the possibility of planning.( “without alts” since you can’t pass items you start anew with each character) (“without the possibility of planning” since website doesn’t give that, fanbase is different from official, please remember that). Are we really supposed to be happy with that?
I’m not saying reset is the only choice, but with all these problems, reset would at least bring some kind of relief, people need to remember that if the choice we have are “get good or get out”(as some people imply) people are going to get out, and if too much people get out, TOS will have to be a lot more expensive on cash shop, and if that doesn’t solve, TOS bankrupt, and the server ends, and then no TOS for EVERYBODY.
Aha, that alt unfriendly game where almost no item is character bound, and you can leave your merchant online to sell while you play on another character.
The ones that dont want to play games a second time, huh?
Because it ‘‘would be a waste of time’’
If you believe in something strongly enough it will happen inevitably?
That’s a beautiful thought, but I’m not sure if it has a place in this discussion.
this is too nice to ruin the game…
CIRCLE RESET?
Then all players would surely pick HIGH OFFENSIVE Skills, OP CLASS BUILD…then reset at max lvl…
SURELY THERE WILL BE
“SELLING ACCOUNTS MAX LEVEL CHAR… FREE CIRCLE RESET!”
DarkGamer will ruin this game
-lms
I’d be ok with circle resets if it only resets to the previous circle with class lvl 15. That way you could test out your new skills and if you didn’t like the skills/the class, you could reset and take other skills/class while you lvl it up again from 1.
But circle reset that resets all your circles and you get to keep all the class levels etc? No way in hell.
I think resetting to circle 1 only from rank 7 by paying something like 1 mil silver, and refarming every circle and every attribute( when u respec, every attribute u paid For is lost) is really punishing and u need Like 1-2 weeks to Return to rank 7?
Noone cares if they quit. Not even the devs. Stop using this in arguments please.
This game is no balance no one knows what circles be in future and no one know what clases be nerfed in future. How i can do my build if i heave no full information about clases and about future changes. If a game not give a chance to respec my build it be a stupid game about eternal rerol 
Real name of this game - Eternal Rerol
Not only is this post a mess, but you sound like a child. This game is about learning and progression through exploration of the class system, remake a new character, don’t make the same mistake again and you will be stronger. Don’t cry at IMC because you ■■■■■■ up.
Okay guys I am going to lay it out for you pretty clearly, aside from the obvious moral reasons for not implementing a class reset. Mostly because the people begging for it are a bunch of whiney children who care less about the fun of the game and more about flaunting their e-peen, but also because there are many many MANY issues with class reset I will post a few but understand there are many more. So instead of crying for IMC to tear apart the beautiful game they have made so you can be another class without having to play the game again, support the game, pick up your controller, and roll a new alt. Learn and explore the game as it was meant to be played… it is a masterpiece if you stop trying to cry your way into min-max.
Here are a couple extremely logical reasons why they can’t do class reset, I won’t get into why they shouldn’t because the short answer to that is you chose the class, you had time to decide, they shouldn’t give into crybabies.
Lets assuming that you get your circle reset, is it just 1 circle or is it your entire class tree? If it is just 1 circle, what happens if you circle reset hoplite 1 while you have hoplite 3, so now you are a berserker hoplite 2-3? so essentially with enough class resets you can get all tier 3 circles?
Assume instead that it is a complete class tree, Okay so now we will use classes like quarrel shooter compared to ranger. Quarrel shooter has heavy endgame power for persistent dps but its weakness is its early game leveling, with a class reset everyone would just choose ranger for easy leveling, and then class reset to quarrel shooter for the maximum end game build.
What about the class quests that are supposed to be challenging, you would be able to do them easily because you are over-leveled for that class circle.
Its minor, but outfits, so do you get the outfit for the class taken away?
What about attributes, so if you trained all these attributes for silver they are lost now? What if there are akward interactions where they stay and effect you in your other tree, creating a buggy mess where you have a highlander that can shield block because they trained a peltesta atrribute.
Those are just a few of the many many many many many reasons why class resets wouldn’t be feasible or efficient. The reasons why it shouldn’t are easily described as stop being a baby and play another character.
TLDR: Stop crying and make a new character, they don’t need to redesign the game around your idiocy.
No point in offering class resets in the current situations. Information regarding all current classes are available, all skills as well, there are even videos and forums. If you fck up your character, its your fault!
I see class resets when major changes to classes or new classes are released or new ranks are available.
everything you said is simple to solve actually.
No one wants an easy reset system, we know it would break the game, what people are suggesting is resetin 1 rank, and if that person is rank 3, then it loses the points allocated, going cleric 3 and priest 1, you can have heal 15, you reset one rank and make cleric 2 and priest 2, then you have heal lvl 10, it’s already in the game.
reset would lose all the xp, if it resets all classes, then that person has 0 xp, not 7 changed ranks with full potential,
my class changes were really easy, didn’t know they were supposed to be challenging,
well, same system, no class no outfit.
yeah you lost everything, if it’s buggy it’s IMC programming problem, if they are going to make a poor reset system, then even us that want a reset system, are going to refuse to it, and just leave, if it’s going to be even more troublesome for the game, then there is no reason to stay in a game that when they try to solve, they make more problems.
Or yknow, they could just grow up and make another character, or learn to play the game. Nobody has more of a reason to want a class reset than me, my class is sword-highlander-hop3->dopp->dopp… and at level 240 I would love to have peltesta, but you know what I did instead of crying for a class reset? What the game intended me to do, I made an alt… and enjoyed the game all over again. There is no need for this sort of complex system to ever come into play, this game is about failing and trying again, if you want a game that holds your hand and erases your mistakes for real life money, go play a ubisoft game…
I would agree with you considering how screwed I felt when I got to Rogue c2 before. They got ninja nerfed with no patch notes.
Except, I found a way to make the build work with just a skill reset. (I also rolled a new Dragoon)
As I am used to playing Ragnarok Online, I’m fine with the game not having a Circle reset.
The game doesn’t NEED it. The early access people will have the least amount of information going into the game, so it’s obvious they’ll screw up. The new people who go in afterwards will have access to numerous guides and can optimize their build from our past mistakes.
the game IS free to play.
Job reset will make this game into candy crush. STOP with this whiny sh*t already.