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Can STR rogue1 has 100% crit chance at lv 330?

Class and Rank Archer
#1

sneakhit is +70% crit chance
with 8 lv10 werewolf, you need 44%*785=346 crit rate to 100% crit from any position. If you can do back attack easily, this will result in overcrit. But i am not sure we can compute 80% count as back attack with 70% sneakhit directly.

if you dont rely on werewolf especially for bossing, you need only 30%*785= 236 crit rate

is it safe to assume that anyone who reach lv 330 has max peta and 2 sissels as their standard equipment?
add red veris glove that is very easy to craft, 14+72+23=109. just substract 109 from above crit rate, that is your base DEX.

#2

Umm, but itā€™s not 100% uptime though, you have to put that as a factor. I really donā€™t like rogue :confused: because instead of werewolves you could have gone full dex > put in yellow gems and use glass moles. You would deal way more dps than str build.
Yes Max peta and 2 sissels is standard for end-game player. Iā€™m not an expert on rogue + werewolves card though. Since A2 is free 25% crit rate I prefered to go that route on all archer leaving room to play around with cards.

#3

you are right, it is not 100% uptimeā€¦ my build is a relic from the past without access to stat reset potā€¦
(:怍āˆ )_
anyways, i found a shortcut to 100% crit rate formula, just times your lv with 2.38
1702.38=404
2802.38=666
3302.38=785
if rank 9 capped at lv 380 then 3802.38=904

#4

Idk why people would go that route :confused: you are losing out on the greatness of archer tree. A2 is all you need why waste A1? A1 is useless having it like that either way you are going for crit, right?
A2 vs A1 Rogue 1 you are still using 2 circles. With A2 your build is more flexiblle. A2 swift step is 100% uptime and also 15% evasion. You dont get evasion buff unless you go rogue 2

#5

my build has A2 rogue1 in it, rest assured.
updated 100% crit formula for every Archer2: times your lv cap with 1.9 and add 1
2801.9+1=533 crit rate before lv 10 swift step
3301.9+1=628
if rank 9 is capped at lv 380 then 380*1.9+1=723 crit rate before swift step

#6

The 10sec gap between uptime is certainly an important factor to consider.

The question is a bit of poorly conditioned though.
What are the other 7 ranks? People donā€™t make ā€œrogue1ā€ builds, they make a build, and decide rogue1 supplements the set and fills in holes theyā€™re lacking.

People always bring up gems/headgear, well, you can still use the exact same gems/headgear as str as dex because the crit rate is high enough to make use of them the same. (hell, even against mobs that drop the 315 recipes, I have near 100% crit rate with just 199 crit rate and werewolfs)__

Anyway, the str build allows you to be on the same level as people with higher transcend levels. My weapon is only stage 3, but because of my build, Iā€™m on even power with people with the same weapon as stage 5 because the atk/crit atk adds that much. But what about the higher transcend levels? Same thing, when Iā€™m stage 5, Iā€™m the same as a stage 6.5
Doubt I ever get to stage 10, but if I do, it be the same as being stage 11.
But I say a majority of people stay around stage 3-5, and any higher is those that really like to pour their shards in.

rogue1 is for very very specific builds.
A2 is standard returns that will work for just about any build that you pick randomly.

Donā€™t really see the sense in both A2, and rogue1 in the same build though

#7

Rouge c3 hier, max sneak hit and burrow. 115% crit chance, ez life XD

#8

which one is stronger? considering i have 1000 Patk
A: lv10 steady aim + lv 5 multishot + feint + lv 10 barrage
or
B: lv 5 steady aim + lv 10 multishot + feint + lv 5 barrage?

#9

yea but its a rogue 3 :smiley:
this class doesnā€™t really make good damage outside of backstsabbing from behind with karacha set which is neither aoe or better than fletchers/fencers/dragoon/s :slight_smile:
not to mention horrible synergy with both hackappelle and mergen
they seen to be even more screwed than corsairs tbh Imc really need to change/buff this class or give it an extra damaging skill

#10

Well itā€™s still 160k dmg with 2 charges and 10 seconds cooldown (at least those are the numbers a rogue3 friend of mine outputs). Itā€™s a fantastic filler

#11

yea it gets pretty strong
but remember that other classes can match that damage with less effort.
musket burst rotation can reach 1m
fletcher 3ā€™s magic arrow can now reach more than 15k damage (see nicola) and has 100% uptime and with mergen your even get awesome burst damage
SR got great aoe burst skills that can make pretty significant damage
rogue 3 is like swordsmanā€™s corsair 3, it has no clear good synergy with anything
past rank 7
it just doesnā€™t seem to be good/better at anything really

#12

With karacha set?
Really dislike rogue backstab being locked into karacha set. :disappointed_relieved:

Oops, derail :cold_sweat:

#13

diehardlanzer, please dont derail my topic. Thank you

#14

Definitely high str rogue can get 100% crit rate at max level.
You get your crit chance on sneak hit.
The missing crit chance you are able to supplement through items + your archer 2 swift step.

#15

Yes, thatā€™s with karacha and 70% (iirc) attributes. He didnā€™t particularly love his choice of going hacka so heā€™s been using other master race clerics instead though

/End of derail?

#16

160k dmg with 2 overheat means the total dmg is 320k right?

#17

:sob:
/why20thoughimcyourkillingus

#18

Yes. He told me each ā€œhitā€ of backstab was 80k so itā€™d be 160k per cast and 320k if you spam the key twice. I forgot to mention a big thing that I just remembered. That was with armor advantage so without it instead of 320k itā€™s something around 200-210k.

Not game breaking but itā€™s rank 7 damage

#19

interesting thread. bumping up since iā€™m on the edge of going full STR with 8 wolves on my pocket. patiently waiting for that STR revamp or whenever it should come.

#20

For Str rogue, I recommand gladi or phada (2x gladi and sissel owner here with a 330 A1Rogue1 Ranger 3 SR3).

Rogue is nice, hipster, off meta.

No dodge and no glassmole allowed.

Itā€™s fun and dishes better DPS in random set up, not worth it if you do play with meltis.

You basically give up dodge and card slots to be at maximum DPS solo and without buff. You give up to any buff potential and glass mole. Depends on which type of player you are.

Also on rogue I do suggest yellow gem on top and bottom for pdef stacking over standard red gem (better survability overall, imo at least).

My stat is 31 con rest str, 3/4 virtov plate and roxana gloves for +1atk ratio, jewels 2x gladi and max peta (if u are into switches go sissel only on bosses)

the MAIN iussue of this type of build is that you are totally screwed WITHOUT 8x werewolves lvl 10 (easier sad then done) so IMO it can interest just few players: if you are into an HC guild with boss timers and pve andgame you are gonna pick A2 probably, if you are a casual you shouldnt pick a build that DEMAND card capped to work, so the whole concept of rogue 1 as a filler is kinda bad, my just 2 cents, even if you can still find crazy ppl like me who rolled it.