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Came back, need advice with pelt -> c3 hoplite -> doppel -> dragoon

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#41

I think for Dragoon, thanks to Dethrone, if it crits, the damage is quite high, so it is not that useless on a STR or STR mix build.

I was lazy and put just Lv 5 ones, If I leveled both to Lv6, Didel would surely outdamage the dagger.

The advantages of Physical Attack is - it goes into the formula of Critical Damage, while Elemental Attack does not, it comes after the critical Damage calculation.

PAtk can be mitigated by enemy defense, but Elemental Property can also be resisted both by elemental resistance and elemental type compatibility.

As for Pierce - on this new Patch, something good happened, and I hope it isn’t a bug.

Now, Pierce is cancellable!! This is awesome, at least for me. However it’s cancel mechanics is quite different than the usual cancel methods, to cancel Pierce, you have to cast another skill right after Pierce connects an enemy.

For example, i’m casting Pierce and Stabbing Right away, they seem to be just a single skill altogheter, so, Pierce might be a good filler skill to use with 2 Hand Spear against bosses.

But, you can’t cancel Pierce by walking neither jumping, and it needs to connect a target, if not, even making an input for another skill, it will not cancel.

Synchro Thrust Pierce attribute is quite good, I would recommend you to max it. The only scenario it would not be worth is when you’re facing Plate Monsters, because the Strike damage of shield would deal additional damage. However, if you put a Spear lunge before it, it will be more woth even against Plate. Remember - you can turn it on off, so you might do your own testing and find when it is good to be on or off.

Glass Mole cards are more effective with STR builds since it works based on our main Attack value.

However it is still worth to be used on Dex builds like mine. The main drawback of Glass Mole is the short duration of the buff, you must be really precise when to use it an secure that you will not be knocked down/back.

Also, to make full potential of Glass Mole, you should get lots of Varnalesa, since it procs Glass Mole and it’s cooldown is just 15 seconds (instead of 30 seconds from SP potions).

Varnalesa drop rate is quite low, 2.5%.

Elle will surely be more suitable for Dex builds, since it will pump even more Critical Rate, Accuracy and, the most important stat for Dex Build - Dodge rate.

I dont know if a mix is still worth, because i’m with just with 2 Glass Mole currently, one at LV 10, other at 6.

#42

With all the dex i got now don’t really know when i startet to get a good % of crit, my first str build at around lv280, if i remember, was invested 200/50/50, and for get more dex i used 5 elle card, so something around 4-1-1(str/con/dex).
When i changed stats with the reset was around 30/50/220, so don’t know when the crit rate reached the right points for a good %.
Now i still need to understand if get more CON with equip or with more points, cause now i’m still using them for dex.

So you think 8points for pierce and 1 for synchro are good or I need to balance them more?

For the gaebulg/dragon soar 5/1 or 1/5 you reached a conclusion now?

#43

GaeBulg is more worth because of the 15% damage boost from Dethrone.

I would stick with PIerce at 8 because Synchro you’ll be using only to kill weak monsters that do not get killed by auto attacks. Also, without proper timming, it is not frequent to get the counter attack.

#44

Still think only dragoon for spear classes is good enough with this build (think lancer can be good only with a cata build).

A str build with hop it’s more tankish cause the lack of evasion and more if you use finestra (guardian help to keep some eva), but the lack of accuracy is noteworthy.

Do you think i need to invest more on CON or still raise dex until i can now for higher solo pve? Still think 60CON can be the max i can need (without equip), but i’m not sure now

#45

I’m using 50 invested CON and i’m doing fine. The higher end is quite hard though, with all my Dex and i’m still not satisfied with my dodge rate (even with guardian).

Higher Con would benefit you to resist a little more against Magic monsters, that are the real nightmare on this game.

#46

Think i’ll use at least 57/60 for hit 80con without gear, but no more than it.

My first build (str one) was good but felt lack something (not the dmg), more than 4-1-1 maybe a 4-1-2 was really better for at least get more eva/acc for higher lvl, but still think add CON there for me was useless too (more cause new shield and gear give you more and more CON/HP.
Now with the dex build it’s more easy but feel i need a little more STR now (this game lack of STR and others stats cards, only Elle for DEX).

For monster gems you think our build need something (maybe for gauntlet)? For now I’m not using them.

#47

Well, about the build, you’re right, people should build their character untill they feel happy with it, and not just follow copy pasted guides.

I’m happy with mine, and i’m achieving 100 STR thanks to my 5kg dumbell. My invested points currently is 28 STR / 50 CON / 266 DEX.

My critrate is extremely sactisfatory, but my dodge, even with guardian and Shade top/bottom, is still not reliable at rank 8 content. Perhaps i’ll switch my 2 glass mole cards to the Dex ones


Monster Gems is something that you should worry when you don’t have silver problems at all. Our build doesn’t strive for gems, since it is mostly based on multi hit damage skills.

However if you’re fortunate enough to drop, or have money for it, I would love a Finestra monster gem. 10 free crit rate is always welcome.

I would equip it on my Zega Spear, where it’s sole existence is just to switch in, cast finestra, switch out.

Deeds of Valor gem would help a lot too. On KR the defense penalty got halved per level, and an extra level would help DoV to keep more active, since it’s cooldown still is higher than duration. But i dont know if a DoV gem exists at all, must be very rare/expensive.

#48

Yea, started with a str and now a dex.
Now we can find the stats reset pots at the market too, so if a day someone think to change the build it’s more simple, without re-doing it, don’t really like re-do all the same chara only for change stats (quest, ecc.)
I had fun with my str build, only changed it cause the free stats reset.
If a day they add a new class where you need a str build you only need to change it.

Still hope a day they can add more stats cards (str, ecc.)

So the best gems are the one where can add lvl at our skills?
A scan gem could be useful but don’t think exist for now.

For gauntlet which gems? Green for accuracy?

#49

In case of monster gems, I would only use if they add a good effect without wasting one important gem slot. That is the case of Finestra, since I can equip on Zega Spear, cast the buff, then switch for my main weapon.

Accuracy would be more suitable for PvP, but on PvE, if you’re using the highest level gaunts possible, you’ll be fine. To be honest outside of weapon/offhand, I care more about Dodge/Magic Defense.

#50

Well, except accuracy i don’t really see something good for gauntlet, maybe yellow for block p.?

I like use blue (m.def) for boots more than green (eva).
And yellow (p.def) or red (hp) for top and bottom?

#51

Hello! I dont know how to send PM, then I’ll write right here.

My english is so bad I’m from Brazil. If you can, answer me in PT xD

I stopped to play ToS in Jun 2015 and I have a swordsman with the same build as you!

I’m Doppel 185 and I put my stats points in STR, I have much STR! this is good?
DEX build > STR build?

#52

The general idea is the more defense you have, the less HP you need. I would go for more defense, since increasing HP will make it’s regeneration a bit slower (except if you’re playing with a clerig).

In case for block pen gems, I recomend to use it only when your attacks begins to be blocked. It’s quite rare though, for monsters to block your attacks.

#53

Yo, no problem! I’m brazilian too.

Rapaz, o motivo da próxima guerra civil vai ser STR vs DEX. Não då pra te dizer qual o melhor, mas då pra dizer quais as situaçÔes que um supera o outro.

É um consenso geral que, para skills de vĂĄrios hits, com dano base baixo, STR e PATK acaba compensando mais. A conta Ă© simples, crĂ­ticos adicionam apenas 50% emcima do cĂĄlculo do Dano base da skill + seu PATK.

É capaz que, investir intensamente em STR, lhe dĂȘ um PATK maior do que seria um bonus de 50% emcima do dano base + PATK. STR tambĂ©m te dĂĄ a vantagem de receber Block Pen, o que seria mais Ăștil no PvP, porĂ©m, vai sofrer e MUITO contra quem tem dodge alto


Mesmo sendo full STR, voce ainda pode dar alguns críticos graças ao Finestra, gemas e itens, o que, aleatoriamente, vai te dar um dano MUITO superor, graças ao dano crítico que o STR oferece.

JĂĄ o DEX Ă© para situaçÔes inversas. NĂŁo importa quanto de STR vocĂȘ tenha, ela jamais vai dar um PATK que vai superar o bonus de 50% de 16500 de dano base da Dethrone lv 5, por exemplo.

É impossĂ­vel voce ganhar 8200 de PATK colocando SÓ em STR. EntĂŁo, para dano base alto, o critico compensa MUITO mais. E tendo uma frequĂȘncia de crĂ­tico, o atributo de Dano CrĂ­tico vindo de enchants, gemas e itens, acaba sendo muito superior ao PATK, porquĂȘ o dano crĂ­tico Ă© inserido na formula depois do cĂĄlculo de defesa, e, no caso das armas principais, o valor das gemas de PATK sĂŁo apenas para ATK mĂĄximo, enquanto as de Dano crĂ­tico, sĂŁo iguais as de Patk, porem Ă© um dano fixo!

NĂŁo bastando, a melhor vantagem de ir para Dex Ă© o dodge, coisa que vai ajudar, MUITO, a tankar mobs de dano fĂ­sico.

O maior ponto fraco de full DEX Ă© um limite de peso inferior, e a falta de block pen, o que pode ser um tanto problemĂĄtico se vocĂȘ nĂŁo tiver um pouco dele para o PvE, e no PvP, Stone Skin, Pavise, ou simplesmente o Guard vai ser um pesadelo para se lidar.

Minha opiniĂŁo, para Dragoon c2, DEX vale muito apena, Ășnica e exclusivamente pela Dethrone com os debuffs de Spear Lunge + Serpentine + GaeBulg. O dano extra concedido pelo crĂ­tico se multiplicarĂĄ diversas vezes, o que vai compensar pelo dano perdido em skills de dano base baixo como Stabbing.

JĂĄ uma build focada em STR, vai ter uma sinergia MUITO melhor com o Deeds of Valor stackado no 5, e com a Glass Mole, porquĂȘ ambos multiplicam emcima do seu PATK, nĂŁo no dano final. O problema Ă© que o DoV lv 5 dura menos do que o cooldown, e graças a isso, nĂŁo Ă© muito frequente estar com ele stackado 5x logo de inĂ­cio. SĂł se vocĂȘ estiver lidando com dano mĂĄgico ou usar uma erva para se envenenar, para procar os stacks.

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#54

Poatz, pelo visto ToS mudou muito desde que eu parei x.x
Pior eh que eu ja soquei STR e pretendia pegar Dragoon C2 =//

Mas deu pra entender a mecĂąnica da STR x DEX, brigadĂŁoo DL! Ă”/

Em uma build de DEX, quanto de STR vc aconselha ter???

#55

Isso é gosto pessoal, eu com 23 pontos investidos, com meus itens + dumbel de 5kg, consigo chegar a 100 de STR, o que jå då uma ajudinha em relação ao block pen

VocĂȘ continuar full STR nĂŁo vai ser problema, sĂł vai ter que investir em Plate Armor + Aspersio para reduzir o dano dos mobs fĂ­sicos para 1

O crĂ­tico que vier de gemas, itens e etc, vai ser muito bem proveitoso par auma build full STR, afinal se vai ter um dano crĂ­tico relativamente alto

#56

caraca! preciso entrar no jogo pra ver as gemas verdes que eu tenho e ate que nĂ­vel eu posso tuna-las =/

Reduzir o dano do mob a 1? Ă© possĂ­vel isso agora? :open_mouth:

vocĂȘ acha que eu devo investir em DEX daqui pra frente ou continuar socando STR??

#57

So for gauntlet which gems you think i need to use?

#58

either critical attack or acuraccy

#59

Nesse patch atual, os chars tambem ganham 10% de defesa a cada ranking, entĂŁo deu uma ajudada.

Em mapa high level vai ser meio impossĂ­vel, mas o quanto mais proximo disso, melhor

#60

Still need to reach lv315 for get and try the new gears and weapons.
Do you already know which you want use?