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Archer Card Talk - Ellaganos v Glass Mole

I recognize this is pretty straightforward for full str archers, but for those of us who go heavy dex or an even split, how do you think Ellaganos weighs in vs. Glass Mole? I wonder if anyone has done the math out there. As of now, it seems like some cards stack fully (where as on kToS only 5 stack, we might and probably will get this change on iToS). As it stands though, which is more valuable? 70 dex or 7x Glass Mole cards?

The way I see it, I have a stat allocation that with gear should get me to 100% crit on most mobs at 280 (and then one planned for 330). Some goes in con and the rest in str. If I can have an ambient 70 (or even 50 dex) from cards, that means I can just pop in 70 more str instead of dex, which seems pretty huge damage wise. However, I’m not sure how much stronger having that extra 70 str is vs. having glass mole cards.

Aside from if anyone has done the math on this, I’m curious for those of you who have multiple glass mole cards, how do they stack? is it additive, so 7 lvl 10 cards give you +70% physical attack? Because if that’s the case, even though it’s only up for 10 seconds at a time, I’m guessing that’s worth far more than 70 str, especially on skills that take a % of your physical attack.

Any input is appreciated!

If it works similar to the wizard counterpart, they will be +70%.


Chapparition card

1625 * 1.7 = +70% = ~2762.


Once the changes of max 5 cards hit, you should get 5x glass mole lvl 10, + fill other slots with lvl 10 ellaganos. Drink SP pot before you apply your (burst) skills.

Nice! Yea that’s good thinking, 5x glass + 2x ellaganos probably the best way to go. Now if those damn moles would just drop me some cards (I saw one drop for someone else the other day, they didn’t pick it up for the longest time…was praying it would become free for all loot so I could grab it >.>)

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10 DEX is a very negligible amount. I strongly suspect the +% damage cards will be nerfed more in the future, maybe even becoming a ‘max stars’ card.

keep in mind, the card tooltips for us in itos are outdated.

The glass mole says 10secs, but the effect is the same as it is in kot, it only lasts 4secs.

Personally, I would go with the +dex and throw more pts in str for the 100% uptime instead of the bigger amount once every 30-40secs for 4secs, just cause I’m far too lazy.

I’m planning to go for a mix of ellaganos and minotaur cards once there’s more mino cards around. 4 seconds long burst might be just long enough for me to cast concentrated fire (lag and positioning considered), so it doesn’t feel worth it at all. Mino cards on the other hand are a huge utility bonus for archers (even more if you have multi hits / running shot) which will be great for all those magic mobs we’ll have to face on the new stages of the game

Is it only 4? I thought I read from others that it lasts 10 unlike chapparition, but I don’t have it myself to test unfortuantely.

glass mole is much better for dps, but it’s buff few sec and has potion CD so it’s good with those with burst dmg skills, but some build like AA or sustain dmg skill might not gain much benefit from this card.
ellaganos avaliabe in most builds.

^ This, only 4 seconds, pretty over-rated/priced card atm. Ellangos, Reaverpede, Tomblord, the con or hp cards, spectre monarch for 132 dungeon farming etc, many better options atm, don’t get sucked into the sheep frenzy of kids wtb glass mole cards atm.

If you aren’t a solo player/ have a krivis3 friend, I’d recommend Glass Mole card + retreat shot.

Otherwise, only use glass mole before bursting - if you are a class with bursts.
Mino CC for multi-hit classes.
Ellaganos for dex.

You can drink one of those plants that restore a little sp to trigger the effects. Those plants have like a 15 second cd.

Edit: I’m talking about varnalesa, not dilgele.

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Oh, so dilgele works? Very good. Plants are my new SP pots now.

I always quest solo, but I’m getting closer to the level of my guildies’ mains, who want me as their ET free ticket xD. There’s no such thing as too much CC, so I thought I’d help more if I had a stun chance instead of burst damage. I didn’t know the boost acted as a buff (I guess that’s why you mentioned krivis 3) nor that dilgeles popped the buff, so it could be a good idea to use glass mole cards

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That looks fantastic. It’s almost decided I’ll go 5 glass moles and 2 ellaganos. Thank you for sharing!

Edit: For people saying the buff is too short, if you have a guild, getting dilgeles in the order of the hundreds is really easy and the 10 second cooldown does everything for you. If you add melstis, it could be perfect

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The buff is actually 6s, I have one and tested it the other day. Enough for some burst I say

What about a A1-R3-F3 who is 2:1 str-dex?
Is it better ellaganos x7 , glass mole x7 or a mix?
Ty in advance.

try not to have more than 5 of the same cards, there’re restriction in ktos

mole card is nice if you have party to support as above reply said, but if you solo fletcher3 I’d prefer other card than mole because your skill dmg as sustain not a high burst like cannoneer or musketeer.

ellaganos or other stat card aren’t be the best choice for specific build, but good and safe for those who don’t know what to use because it always give you stat bonus without some situation or trigger requirement.

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I ll try with 5 elleganos and 2 mole card because i need that dex spike to compensate my lack of crit (need more green gems). Thanks!

like i’m going falconer3, and my build is 1:2 str:dex, since I don’t have any atks that have a attack power multiplier like cannon or musket, glass mole won’t really help me.

like right now, I have 944-966 atk power.
with 5x, it goes to about 1300-1400, which seems okay, but not gonna do much since i’m support and none of the lower circles have any atk power multiplers and is just base damage.
so thinking i might go the HP one/dex