Tree of Savior Forum

Animation Canceling in ToS

Class and Rank Archer
#42

I’m not sure why you’re having difficulty with your anicancel test but… The attack speed boost for someone under 100 ping is huge, RS or not.

As an added note, anicancel with kneeling shot does not work for me, only the standard attack/move around with mouse while shooting target. Thus kneeling shot 5 is pretty underwhelming in terms of its “attack speed boost”.

The anicancel boost without RS (As I’m not a QS) is big enough that I shoot like I’m using r5 kneeling shot, but I’m not. (I did not record hits, this is an approximation.)

Edit: And yes, the anicancel is VERY consistent, I could never go back to using Z to attack, it’s just that much slower.

I play on Klaipeda if you’d like to do some tests in-game when I get home from work.

#43

I would like to tell everyone that you can animation cancel on keyboard, the trick is moving towards a direction that would force your character to change directions. It’s not as consistent as the mouse animation cancel but it is consistent enough

I’ll try to upload a video later today.

#44

The only thing left to prove is animation cancelling on Kneeling Shot. My third video shows the gains of animation cancelling in scenarios without Kneeling.

The question right now is how to cancel Kneeling since the Koreans seem to be able to.

#45

Ok, so i made a video of me using a controller of kneeling shot with and without RS.

in both instances i’m merely holding down one direction on the controller and the attack button and not mashing etc.

so how does the speed compare to mouse mode etc.?

edit:

whoa… major plot twist.

since i live in EU i’m first now getting the 0.05(50ms?) ping you see in the video but i didn’t actually try to hunt mobs with it until just now and i’m FINALLY seeing the attack speeds that ktos AA people hunt with… before when it was still the US server i had a ping of 0.2(200ms?) and what a big difference i’m seeing.

it almost makes me want to tell people not to bother unless they can hit at least under 100ms >_>.

anyways… still need a comment on the above video XD

#46

So, kind of off topic, but can clerics and swordsmen anicancel their AAs in any meaningful way?

#47

Issue is not AniCanceling, its doing it while on Kneeling, like kuonkuon did, you can clearly see a boost after he faces southeast…he says that he can achieve that only facing 2 directions, i cant

#48

That’s fine, just people weren’t specifying “only with kneeling shot”.

There’s posts already saying you do kneeling shot anicancel with controller. Think it’s safe to say well, you do it with a controller.

#49

Ah … i didnt read that… so ani canceling works with mouse/controller, but KS ani canceling works ONLY with controller ? :frowning:

#50

Seems that way.

Until the player base finds a better way. ( If one exists. )

Frankly, I find KS to be the least valuable archer skill, you’ll do higher dps spamming a moderate attribute obique shot even, which has pretty neglidgable SP cost once your level is decent.

That’s just my personal feels anywho.

#51

only two directions when shooting at nothing, but you can shoot any direction when you have a target.

#52

SO here I am with an xbox controller.

More useless attack speed tests. Some people mentioned a controller increases attack speed. I tried, I’m doing it wrong or I didn’t get an increase.

3 - 28
57

41 1:06
57

1:17 1:43
58

2.28 atks/sec. Pretty consistent.

#53

lvl 10 kneeling
50~ ping?
holding down any direction and the attack button (x)
360 controller

edit: video with target lock on

#54

I see. Your normal attack rate is slow as hell. My attack rate when not pressing anything is the same as your attack rate cancelling.

Do an extended test. You are probably getting around 1.9 or 2 atks per second if you cancel. If so, then you aren’t gaining anything from that and it is actually your non cancelled shots being slow for some reason.

#55

I think mine is less, 1.7 attacks per sec. :frowning:

edit: unless that’s running shot you’re using then it’l be about the same with 30% atk spd increase

#56

My tests. Go to 3:00 to about 3:40. There I cast 25 casts of Kneeling Shot twice. I get around 2 hits per second on both tests. If you are getting lower than that, then you are having sad times.

Anyway, so we have disproved the theory that Kneeling can be cancelled by using a controller. I have also done a long test of Running Shot + lvl 10 Kneeling and it seems to be 2.3 atks/sec which makes me sad.

I am still sure in my resolution that Kneeling can be cancelled. I see Korean videos of archers getting around 3 atks/sec which would greatly improve DPS.

Someone help us ask the Koreans how they do it t.t

#57

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGM9NbK6ovU AAs anicancel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTpcjEn-m4o AAs anicancel @Running Shot

I dont know if after all the discuss u actually take conclusion about how looks and how to do

#58

there is a huge speed difference between attacking with mouse and keyboard for archers… they havent fixed it yet!

#59

difference favoring what one ?I’m a mouse mode man myself

#60

favoring mouse, because of animation cancelation