About Highlander C3

[Sensate]

References about how def works.

Damage Formula - Simplified

Continuing the discussion from [Damage Guide] The big formula, modifier types, and how they interact!: The big damage formula thread has this nice big formula, but with so many brackets it took me a while to understand what was multiplying with what. Since I already put work into it, I might as well re-post a more readable formula. Damage = ((Aggregate Attack - Aggregate Defense) * Crit factor + Critical Attack + Bonus Elemental Attack + Racial Specific Damage) * T1 * T2 * T3 * Attribute fa…

[Damage Guide] The big formula, modifier types, and how they interact!

I thought it'd be good to have a compilation of all the skills that actually scale thanks to having a percentual modifier in their calculations. At first I just wanted to list all the skill modifiers , listed or hidden, but when figuring out how all of them interacted, I decided to expand upon it. The Formula After much testing, and kindly simplified by user Tarocha here on the forums, and another user by the name of KDBA on reddit, damage in Tree of Savior is calculated like this : ((((…

[hienng1991]

@Kascly: What is your experience with HL3 in Fencer? I’m mostly concerned about its AOE capability since I will be likely to take Pelt for Swashbuckling and the ability to use shield

[Kascly]

Is pretty solid. When you’re out of your main fencers skills, I can spam HL skills, I usualy use HL skill for mobbing and fencer skill in boss fights.
I really have some issues with AoE, but with 2 headgears with attack ratio + vube gloves + cata rapier, I can hit 9 attack ratio. And with 2 glad band, 11 attack ratio.

9 attack ratio and a single target nuker build, the main issue is your hitbox. But with the right positioning, you can clear rooms with almost the same time as other builds.

[hienng1991]

I see, tks. Barb is so boring to me now. I hope HL can bring me something new to the table

[Kascly]

Barb falls off fast. I’ve deleted my barb when he was 196.

[hienng1991]

After that massive buffs, I’m continuing my Barb 3 onto Doppel path. I will wait for more info about Fencer 3 to start building my HL3>Fencer build

[Palazzo]

Well, if I learned something from the last couple days’ discussions is that:

Doppel:
Sword1>High3>Barb1>Doppel3

Fencer PvE:
Sword1>High3>Barb1>Fenc3
Sword1>High3>Pelt1>Fenc3
Sword1>High2>Barb1>Pelt1>Fenc3

Fencer PvP:
Sword1>High3>Cors1>Fenc3
Sword1>High2>Barb1>Cors1>Fenc3

It was fun discussing it with you guys =)

PS: It seems that Archers have Auto-Weapon-Switch in kToS. If Swordies ever get that, then we could start discussing the viability of Hoplites into Fencers as well (which people already did, and found good, but I still think there’s too much clunkiness in the build), but this is a Highlander thread, so, let’s leave it for another time, as these builds above seems to be optimal for the moment.

[zellista]

They’re all % modifiers, so although I know your point, I know what you’re trying to say, you got the same consistent reduction that I found myself here: 8% less damage overall.

With transcendence, the difference will grow much closer towards 10%-12%, especially when people start moving away from Veniers (trans applies to all physical attack on the weapon, which is very low on Veniers).

Well, if I learned something from the last couple days’ discussions is that:

Fencer PvE:
Sword1>High3>Barb1>Fenc3
Sword1>High3>Pelt1>Fenc3
Sword1>High2>Barb1>Pelt1>Fenc3

I’m personally considering Sw1>High2>Hop1>Barb1>Fenc3 right now, if only because:

1. Epee Stance supposedly only buffs crit dmg for piercing skills and
2. Preparation applies to all 14~ hits of Stabbing, hence providing a large burst.

Of course, almost everyone else will disagree with this build so I don’t tend to talk about this much, at least until we get more skill details from kToS next week. If Epee applies to other damage types as well then I would go with HL3 instead.

[Elaralam]

Barb skills are still fine at 213. They’ve started as amazing now they are just fine. That’s just barb 2. I’m just pointing out that they are not terrible that is.

[hienng1991]

Hey @Kascly, would you mind testing how Attaque Coquille and Skull Swing interact please. I’m wondering how 2 different Armor reduction debuff work

[Kascly]

After I finish mage tower I will test it for you.

[hienng1991]

Tks, I really appreciate that

[MattBR]

Guys, don’t forget about Doppel C3 new skill.

“A new skill, “Zwerchhau”, adds a temporary bonus to slash attacks which, when used in conjunction with other techniques, can become a powerful grinding tool.”

By the way, I still prefer Corsair C1 over Barbarian C1. I think Peltasta, Corsair or Barbarian in Highlander C3 > Doppel C2 builds are personal choices.

[Lenny]

did u level ur second highlander? u think corsair is better than barb1? cus i stoped at highlander 3, waiting to see doppel skills and decide if i go corsair, barb or squire

[MattBR]

I prefer Corsair for their utility. It’s a mistake to think they’re PvP exclusive, because I always use JR + DPE when I’m farming something and Iron Hook against high damage monsters.

And don’t forget about JR “Unity” attribute. I always save my party mates with that.

[danielnito007]

Iron Hook against high damage monsters

It’s great against some elite mobs. It’s easy to hook them at melee range, you cast all your stuff and take no damage. I don’t know why people say it’s useless in PvE. They might not be the top tier skill as they are in PvP but thet’re far from useless.

[Lenny]

sht now i duno if i go barb or corsair =/ how useful is cleave debuff and helm chopper?

[MattBR]

Helm Chopper stun doesn’t work against bosses and Cleave debuff is only good in PvE.

Cleave has 3 charges, so it has “15 seconds” of debuff at total (12s in really), but it’s almost impossible to take advantage of it in PvP. You should be fast if you wanna enjoy your 4s of extra damage.

[Kascly]

Done.
Lunge

Skull swing + Lunge

Skull swing + coquille + lunge

Well, nothing change as you can notice.

[hienng1991]

Thank you very much. So in the end, only one type of Armor debuff is applied. I guess Skull Swing is more beneficial to party members rather than yourself. Therefore 1 point in Skull Swing is more than enough