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About Highlander C3

can i bring HL3 or HL2>barb1 to pvp? i realized that all debuff of both build are rank 1 and rely on them to keep up with higher rank. the problem is it can easily cured by bloodletting and dispeller scroll.

if the target can remove all HL/barb’s debuff, which build have better damage even w/o debuff? i pick HL2>bar1 in the last minute but i feel like im gonna miss out the vertical slash buff.

atm if you want to pvp forget about highlanders in most situations, as they are mostly pve barb would be a better thing but swordsman 3 should be the best, something like sword3-barb1-cor1-doppel2 could work just fine.

i’ll just stick to the meta I guess, i was hoping to utilized crossguard for fencer path

just wait till a catagoon following the meta rushes to your team and block it and pierce them to death

i thought rush have status immunities?

I would have to disagree with you here.

Pouncing with knockdown attribute is one of the best Swordsmen skills for PvP.
But, that’s it.
The rest of Barbarian skills have a very, very slow animation, are clunky and weak. Forget about Warcry and Frenzy as well.

On the other side, Highlander has Bleeding, Wagon Wheel, Crown and Skull Swing.

But still, yes, they face the same problem that most Swordsmen suffer: Close range.

There are currently 2 things that, then, are indispensable to every Swordsman thinking on going to PvP: Cata’s speed and Corsair’s Hook.

Catas are lancers, so they would not be optimal for Highlanders and Barbarians.

But Corsair, on the other hand, offers a ranged disable, that offers you the opportunity to spam a precise combo of skills.

If Barbarian, you would have weak skills, and wasteful stuns (the stuns would be good right about when Hook ends though).

When Highlander would plummet the target’s INT and SPR, eliminate their defense and afflict Bleeding.

This, to me, sums up the question about Barbarian and Highlander on PvP (considering that you pick Corsair for them. If you don’t, then forget about PvP altogether).

yeah pretty nice with a long cd and easy disable, people need to notice this, there’re a lot of classes that can disable almost all status that swordsman do, plague doctor, oracle are one of the major examples, catarush not only add stun to the formula but an annoying knockback with a huge cc inmunity, poucing don’t have that but if they don’t have a “dispeller” class a cyclone with restrain 10 is equal death, and in my example barb is a filler class that boost slash dmg, hence double slash and cyclone with corsair offer a great cc at long distance and a short one, currently for a pvp character or you go full cata3sw3 or sw3rode3cor(this one full con) the other options are just situational, imo barb is better than highlander but that’s because highlander just plain suck a pvp, small hitboxes, slow animation on important skill aka skull swing, the only difference with barb is the hit boxes, ofcourse poucing could be good but his knockback don’t pass throught safetyzone, a montano and dust devil will ■■■■ you up, and archer can just stun lock you in to the ground in some corner.

it’s different build, right? i wanna see both type with the same build like both with STR build or DEX build. btw Why do you have Dex build on your High C3 > Barb. What is benefit of full Dex? I just got High 3 last night and he is full STR Build.

bc i just love to see that yellow damage (crit) lol.

dex build pros (pve), high evasion, if you manage to pump your crit rate to 500+, maybe about 60-70% crit chance.

I love “overkill” better ><" btw full Dex no need for PVE, right?

it rly depend on your playsytle and preference. both build are good @ pve.

I used to think like that, or even worse about Highlander.
When I started playing this game, Fencer was my first choice almost instantly, due to the concept of the class of Criticals and High Evasion.
But every build I saw since then didn’t included Highlander, it was always Barbarian, mostly Peltasta and rarely Corsairs.
To add insult to injury, every topic about the matter loathed Highlander, saying how bad of a class it was, how it “locked you into 2HSwords”, how C3 was a worthless piece of trash, etc.

That until I saw this guy here:



He uses Peltasta’s Guard © a lot, but Cross Cut + Skyliner shines as well.
Hook simply render the target useless. He only took Highlander 2 as well, so no Skull Swing. Also, look how pathetic a STR Cata really is (I think it is the most overrated - by far - swordsman build)

Well, at the time I saw it, I knew nothing about Highlander, apart from just to stay away from it.
This guy made me become interested in the class, research more, and after some time, creating one.

What I have to say is that Highlander is by no means bad at PvP - I think it is even better than Barbarian - due to the fact that it applies various crippling debuffs, and not only “just stun”.

that’s a 1v1 without dispeller.

I mean, you do know that Restrain ( and any other swordsman stun) is straight up trash as soon as there is plague/oracle/pardoner out there right? High3 with corsair can, many times, simply destroy enemies if combo goes right. If you hook someone within the range of your skills, they are certainly dead, specially with the upcoming buff on vertical. Swordsman in general is not that great in pvp, but many builds can work there, and rank 8 is coming to change some of these tides.

So, alright, let’s sum it up then, considering every scenario in this game:

Swordmen sucks at every niche of this game, as they don’t do DPS (even Clerics do more), needs close range to attack, have the worst class synergies in its tree, needs to bipartite or tripartite their status, are not the best tanks (yes, Clerics are), have the worst utilities, can’t equip 1HSwords off-hand (something that now, ARCHERS can) and suck at PvP and PvE (if you’re not Peltasta).

Have I succeeded in expanding your situational casualty into others as well?

they don’t suck at pve, a cleric will by no means out dpse you, a highlander will do a tons more dmg that any cleric in the game,currently(you can even compete with elememes, ofc archers are out of the question) the best tank is the best support in the game and that role fills in the cryochrono class, plus those videos that you posted are a bad example, the first one is one of the wort catagoon that i have ever seen and now that block is nerfed blocking against a str swordsman is really not a smart thing to do, the current problem with swordsmans is that you’re forced to pick a certain class to do fine in pve or pvp.
something that you’re not forced to do with the other circles (warlock,fletcher, pd,kaballist etc…)
another question have you ever reached r7 with a swordsman or even passed 250?.

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But, to be really honest, i’m having doubts on going High 3 or Barb. I have a fencer ( pel > barb 2 > corsair> fencer 1 atm) which i stopped playing, since i began other characters, and came back to him to check the barbarian buffs. The rotation is more fluid and damage is above average. I can burst 50~60k HP @ 179 and the cooldowns are similar to Skyliner, which leaves me a little confused on the path to follow.

Barbarian, right now, seems to have a better uptime on it’s rotation. Needed more info from people who have a high 3 build into fencer T_T

another question have you ever reached r7 with a swordsman or even passed 250?

No, but I have irl friends who were playing before me that have 280s.
They mainly just do World Bosses and ET now, and none of them are Swordsman.
So, I’ve seen them playing high lv for a month now (they play it since iCBT1), and the consensus is really that Swordsmen suck, in every category, and they laugh at how people think that Catas are somehow good (they also warned me many times about not making a Swordsman, but I’m doing anyway).

And yes, Clerics out-DPS Swordmen if they wish to, and out-Tank them if they wish to - these are just not popular paths that people follow, and instead go full support. Things may change now, Rank8 of Cleric seems to be strong and may attract more people.

@vfajoses

pel > barb 2 > corsair> fencer 1

But you’ve lost the best Barbarian has to offer! Pouncing! :worried:

Yeah, that was not a definitive build, i was testing at the time. Pouncing must be a dealing a freaking huge damage now, but my main concern is regarding uptime in skill rotation. I sometimes think that high 3 will be okay, since when their skills are on cooldown i will just spam flaco/compose all the way.

I crafted my venier 2 days ago and i’m on my way to rebuilding my fencer. I probably will go for High 3 > Corsair > Fencer 3 build. I’m just finishing some more test with my soon-to-be-left-behind barb fencer.

do not go putting all the coins on pouncing, because they have decrease the hitbox, so is a lot harder to make it work in pvp, the barb will miss most of the hits from it.
now about the fencer, if you are going for a PVP build i think that you are going for a very good one for fencer , but for pve i do not think so, let’s remember that 99% of the skills from highlander is slash, so with barb1 you will be able to do a lot more damage than if you choose highlander3 to have skull breaker and those extra skills points on the skills , and later on since you are going fencer you will already have a 0 defense skill for pierce, and cleave for slash, it will do more damage.
so for pvp i could say that barb1 is not really needed for the difficulty to apply cleave every time so highlander3 corsair is a perfect choice to go before fencer, but fencer alone is not good in PVP as well.
So if you want a MIX that would have more damage than highlander3 and still be able to be of use in pvp i would recommend to go for : highlander2 barb1 corsair1 fencer:
it will boost all your damage from highlander2 a lot more than anything that highlander3 could offer, because skull swing is really strong but again 50% bonus DAMAGE surpass it by far, and since cleave have a very low CD is very easily to maintain with the highlander toolkit and the pierce atks you would still keep the 0 cd from coquile, to be true the only skill you would loose by going highlander2 barb1 and not going highlander 3 is vertical slash, i now that this skill is not so good right now, but with the current buff from ktos she shows a very good future , mainly when doing bosses, but is something that i can accept to replace so we could have HOOK from corsair.
and i’m also giving up on my barb fencer2 :frowning: it was my fist char and i got my venier also really earlier , the servers was not even open for free players at that time. , but it lacked a lot of things so i made a dragon, now with the current game i’m missing my fencer as well so i making a new one and trust me the build highlander2 barb1 will OFFER a lot more damage than highlander3 and if you are looking for DAMAGE is something to keep a eye on.
on a side note: try to save the points from your fencer, it seems that we are getting a lot of skills from rank3, so it will be better to save some from rank 1 and 2, so we can put on the ones from rank3 at the start once we become one and i can finally see that sept going to the trash, is a very nice skill because of number of hits, but the CD with 30 seconds really killed it, after all we have many others like hexendropper we have a similar damage-numberofhits-cd but still has a overheat or the ones from dragoon for example, i really want a new bust skill from rank3 so i can combo with Prep.

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