skull swing, high cross guard and crown and buffed vertical slash
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What? You do level up crown? Is there a point, especially knowing that they are reducing cartar cast time on ktos?
crown scales with STR, so u want at least 10-25 secs on it, its very good for bosses with skull swing. . lvl 6 is 15 secs, i think u need at least that
for now, catar is good at lvl 3, nothing more, but they said doppel 3 is going to “improve lower level skills” so theres a chance to buff highlanders skills like catar, if that happens we could increase it more
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I think what they meant is the buff (I’m hoping it’s a buff not a debuff, since we already have Cleave for that) to increase slash skills, in which in the preview they call “Zwerchhau”. It will definitely improve slash based skills from Highlanders like Moulinet, Cross Cut and most notably, Skyliner.
atm the only reason to go hl3 is hl3 costume
and if you go hl3 youll get forced to choose between barb1(for 50% buff) and pelta1(swashbuckling)
hey, sword>high c3>corsair>fencer c2 here, [quote=“Snowglaive, post:1, topic:319354”]
is this build still viable?
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it’s not as good as barbarian atm tho it’s still powerfull, more if the enemy can bleed , with skull swing and crown you will help your teammates and cartar stroke deals a lot of dmg even at high level mosters/bosses (i wouldn’t recomend going for more than lvl5) also, vertical slash recieved a major buff in ktos getting more base damage and going from 10% bonus dmg to 30% bonus dmg if used with skull swing. Highlanders lack a stun and a slash debuff, tho you can get that with just 1 circle of barbarian so you could go sword>high c3>barb > doppel c3 if you prefer highlander over barbarian, it’s all your choice.
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yeah i REALLY hope thats a buff on the player that lasts at least 25-30 secs, with a not-so-big- cooldown, cus cleave isnt that good, but what i meant is that they said: “other attributes for upgrading lower-level skills.” so i think they may improve highlander skils (cus its suposed to be the 2H sword guy) once u get to doppel 3.
so maybe more hits to catar / skyliner / moulinet, a bigger and better AoE for skull swing and crown, if they do that we could be on par with other classes (like inquisitor, that has a lot of anti-magic stuff and a cyclone magic)
when i saw inquisitor preview (better doppel than doppel) i decided to take a break till they release rank 8. but i still have some hope cus i saw that attribute thing…
but if they don’t do anything swordsman will stay trash =/
We’ll be introducing a new attribute for expanding the area of the “Punish” skill, used on knocked down enemies, as well as other attributes for upgrading lower-level skills.
Oh do you mean this one? Hmmm. The statement is too vague, but what I get from this is that they are referring to lower level skills of Doppel, like Mordschlag and Cyclone since they were already referring to Punish. But heck if they give some kind of attribute to increase overall damage of a 2hand Sword Doppel build, it’ll be so fckng welcome. lol
well regardless, for me I’ll still keep playing Swordsman. can’t really enjoy the other three. my love for that class is strong. 
can’t wait for the release of Rank 8. 
well if they upgrade cyclone somehow it would be awesome, like a bigger AoE, a HUGE increase in AoE ratio cus now its just ridiculous, same with morcharg, but they keep nerfing cyclone every “buff” patch, so i duno =/
i really like swordsman too, its hard a game that i dont play it, but i just can’t stand being so underpowered, so i’m taking a break til we have more info about rank 8. i stoped my last one at highlander 3, going barb1 and dopp.
if sword stay trash id need to roll a cleric just for inquisitor, lets see what happens…
Woahhh cool !! just wanna ask what is your HL 3 skill build ? i’m currently following this one http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/1nsms6qdot/ . Kinda lost on crown should i make it higher than level 1? Thanks in advance
The build you posted has the skill set to the actual Highlander, keep in mind the Vertical slash buff. As i can see you would be building a high str with some con doppel since it focus too much on crossguard (hence the lvl 6) tho i would let it at lvl 1 since it’s just to block/stagger (if you go high on str (you can see the formula, do maths!) ) having more than 1 point on crown is just for the shock duration .
If you plan on PVP put one point into wagon wheel
Just my opinion here after watching some highlander 3 in ktos. I think skull wing really shines on bosses with utilizing cross guard. It allows you to cast skull swing first then cross guard in order to get the maximum duration of stagger. Usually as a non highlander 3, I do stagger + attaque coquille (armor break) on fencer which ends me losing 1~1.5 sec of stagger which is quite significant lost in dps potential. Though that problem isn’t much when you just wanna grind mobs in your level.
I’m curious though what is your plan after highlander 3
Excellent, that’s just the build I’m aiming at, with Corasair for PvP and as safe heaven if Fencer 3 turns out bad.
Actually, I disagree with your statement that a Barbarian build would be stronger. Previously, I was doing a Sword1>Pelt1>Barb3>Fencer3, and the character was really weak, really lacking, and by the 130s, Barbarian skills were starting to get really behind (apart from Pouncing. Seism was my greatest disappointment, as it was magnificent at earlier levels, when I picked it, but it got useless fast).
But I have a doubt:
Would you, if given the chance, change your High3 for a High2>Barb1?
Thanks!
with the latest barbarian buffs barb does more dmg overall. and would i change my highlander c3 for high c2 barb1 ?
I don’t think so, since i would be losing 5 more lvls on the main damage that highlander has (crosscut + skyliner) plus armor break just to get more slash attacks and a slash debuff (that i get from fencers lunge), but as i said we have to see how well vertical slash performs since it recieved a huge buff in base dmg, so with str/dex it could be better
High C3 > Corsair > Doppel C2 here.
You can also choose Peltasta instead of Corsair.
@Epten
Again, I had a Barbarian and have a Highlander now.
The difference is feasible: Highlander is a better class all around that deals more damage overall.
A situation where Barbarian would be stronger is if it stacked Max Frenzy and used Warcry in a densely populated area, but even still, stacking Frenzy is a pain and the time you lost doing that could be used spamming skills, resulting in an overall loss of DPS (that’s why Frenzy is not recommended if you’re not following an AA build) and Warcry is just not that much great, like, just compare it with what the competition has to offer and it becomes clear.
What really shines in Barbarians is Cleave and Pouncing.
Now, your answer was very interesting: You find it better to have Skull Swing + lv10 Skyliner than Cleave + lv5 Skyliner.
This question is bugging me a lot more than it should, and it’s the only thing that prevents my Class Advancement right now.
@MattBR
Why? Just an option or Corsair is no good? Do you regret something? I’m planning on picking Corsair for PvP (Hook, specially close ranged, is a beast) and, as I picked Peltasta previously, I had some taste about what the class offers, and apart from Swash Buckling, the class offers nothing of value, specially now with the changes in Guardian and the uselessness of Shields for Fencer 3.
For you, a Doppel, it would make even less sense, as Cross Guard provides the defensiveness that a Peltasta would.
Well it depends, if you are going to pvp/ it’s a pvp focused build i would take that circle of barb just for the stun (stun+hook and then burst) if you are going for pve go with 3 circles of highlander since armor break plus lvl 10 crosscut skyliner are good, but as i said it would be good to put some points into vertical slash now that it got buffed so i would quit some from crossguard to put them into Vslash
Nope. I regret nothing, I really love my choice :3
Only suggested Peltasta, because Corsair C1 is underrated.
Some updates guys.
I’ve decided to go Highlander3 instead of Highlander2>Barbarian1 for the following reason, and I think it would be nice to share this thought with everyone:
Cleave gives 50% more damage to Slash for 5 seconds.
Skull Swing ignores the afflicted target’s defense permanently.
Attaque Coquille ignores the afflicted target’s defense for X seconds, if your attack is Pierce.
Now, I’ve seen many Fencer builds and I always see Attaque Coquille lv4 in them, or lv1, but rarely above it, and that’s because of the Defence Ignore Uptime x Cooldown Timing, of 8 seconds.
Now, considering that you could spare 4 points in Fencer if you just didn’t pick Attaque Coquille at all, because you already have Skull Swing, that would be the best indeed, much so that Skull Swing is even a better skill overall.
I also did rough calculations, and a lv10 Skyliner with Skull Swing would do marginally the same damage as a lv5 with the Cleave buff, in a 500 STR build (the less STR in the build, the most insignificant Cleave’s buff become).
In PvP Skull Swing would also disable an enemy permanently, which is another great tool to use combined with Hook, and Fencer3’s Disarm.
Well, after all that, here’s the build I’ve done.
Thank you, and judge me!
so things i have to say, in that build you only have 2 strike atacks, with ataque coquille 3 and it has a good base dmg, i would put 1 point just in case.
Also, if you are going to pvp put one point into esquiver since the evasion buff lasts for 4 seconds and 1 point into flanconnade is a must since you can block pretty much everything (besides magic) if your timing is good.
Also every fencer should go for a venier as a main rapier and cata rapier as a secondary in case venier breaks, that’s why it’s important to have lvl1 skills, since they will turn into lvl 3 skills.
also keep in mind that if we get a really good skill in fencer c3 we might have to use a skill reset potion since points into sept etoiles are just as a filler till we get fencer c3