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A little help to people who dont understand what P2W means

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#102

ok i gotta calm down a bit xDD first of all sorry for my bad english :stuck_out_tongue: english is my 2nd language.

to me, cosmetic is not p2w only if they donā€™t provide huge boost to damage, i was refering to an ā€œExampleā€ of the costumes here in ToS, as you can see, the costumes does not provide other thing than ā€œvisualā€ so i think costumes are NOT p2w, pure visual enjoying.

hate those people too xD[quote=ā€œblack_light, post:99, topic:219110ā€]
Well, sorry then, but maybe the word ā€œbuffsā€ is too broad to use then in this situation, because it suggests a temporal effect such as a walk speed potion, we have in tos. Thats a buff.
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couldnā€™t found a better word at the moment xDD.

short-long storyā€¦ If its unobtainable by f2p and provides huge boosts to stats its P2W :stuck_out_tongue: IMO.

#103

The game isnā€™t p2w until they start selling golden anvils or other high success rate equipment enhance items.

#104

Its pay to win if only those enchanted costumes are untradeable ā€¦ or are you guys too lazy to farm silver?

Seriously though, its very cheap to buy enchants ā€¦ save money and buy TP from founders pack ā€¦ Iā€™m saving money to buy TP even if it takes me a week to do so ā€¦

#105

In my opinion for P2W,

a User who can afford in the Cash Shop gain advantage against someone who cannot afford.

Items that can be traded from a Cash Shop that ā€œF2Pā€ User can buy donā€™t goes along to P2W. As long everything can be bought on the free Market, thereā€™s no P2W, even if you have to buy from others Users, it takes more time only.

P2W is, that you can buy Items(Buffs, Enchant Protection, so on) theyā€™re NOT tradeable (exampling Dragon Saga NA, Protection Scrolls) to upgrade a Weapon/Armor to +20 without any Damage.

P2W is not mentioned if someone can get a boost of ā€œ40 Damageā€ (3500 vs 3540).

The only P2W Item (if you want see that way) in ToS is the Enchant Scroll.

The rest (what Iā€™ve seen before) can be obtained from NPCā€™s or other Players by farming Silver(correct me If Iā€™m wrong). ^^

P.S.: like pinoymeh said,
Enchanted Costumes are tradeable, so even that ā€œP2W Optionā€ is not possible ^^

#106

In the other thread, someone mentioned that enchant scrolls drop from cubes in dungeonsā€¦

#107

They did in Ktos however i have yet to see one in Itos

#108

God this discussion is so stupid ā€¦
This game is for sure p2w in some kind ā€¦
Buy unlimited cash from goldseller or from tp and than via market ā€¦
upgrade ur weapons to +100 >>>> pay 2 win :stuck_out_tongue:
Are there better and trushworthy pay models out there ā€¦ for sure ā€¦
Is this game unplayable because 50% of the people running with unreachable +50 weapons around ā€¦ i dont think so ā€¦

And btw a lot of conetent in this game have some kind of time value ā€¦
U reach faster higher level >> better Chances at WB etc
U make faster money >> ā€œā€
The time investment is here the biggest factor , after that maybe skill , build , mangement , but at least token , and some sort of rng and exp boost
should not be forgotten.

mfg
Majin

#109

Everything you can buy is not meant to be P2W, because you can reach the current stand of everything by investing time.

We shouldnā€™t rely the problem to the ā€œGoldsellerā€ themselves.

Exp-Boost is one of the factors, even so, I can reach the same, like Lv. 200+ without any Exp-Boost.

I can reach +10 gear after farming Silver (maybe a long time) but not limited to those who buying in the Cash-Shop. (Protection donā€™t exist, just a example).

Even so getting Token-benefits, reach Lv. 200+, so on, because YOU can FARM Silver to accomplish the same, while you farm, youā€™re leveling your Char.

I know, itā€™s hard for a lot of people investing time and have problems with someone whoā€™s using the cash shop just to ā€œboostā€ theyre Characters in a Short amount of time while you have to invest time.
(Not all users)

You reach everything faster, thatā€™s true, but itā€™s NOT P2W.

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#110

Mine has more likes so Iā€™m right and youā€™re wrong. :^)

#111

Well soo our definition is already different :stuck_out_tongue:
For me are any services which lets people play under different circumstances already some p2w mechanic ā€¦ it does not matter in which extend or what kind
But well i played 10 years of esport games so maybe thats why i comparing that harsh ā€¦
In my opinion the real question is even if its p2w to some extend how much fairness ā€¦ equality , and balance need this game , and how much is even possible.
I think its bareable so far but also shows a lot of bad stuff for the future ā€¦
And my real complaint would not be the small advantages. Or sme balancing issues. Its all the restriction withhin the game mechanic that worries the most.

mfg
Majin

#112

this is a p2w game, a total noob with $1000 can buy thousands of tokens, sell them and get full gear in 30 min, lv 100 atribs and level full time with xp tomes. Thats why wow is the best game over there, it will never be a p2w trash like that

a game CAN NOT SELL ANYTHING THAT GIVES ADVANTAGE FOR PPL FOR $$$ THIS IS P2W AND retarded!

#113

Lol the tomes give nothingā€¦ in a high level grinding it allows me to reach a lvl 5 minutes faster on a 2 hours grind hahahaha. What a boost. Anyone can buy tokens, and silver doesnā€™t buy you the best gear it buys you average gear that anybody can craft or buy.

As for the attributesā€¦ for the little they addā€¦ the description is so far off from what they should actually be doing that I donā€™t even know if theyā€™re useful at all.

#114

yeah its a boost, 30% more xp is a ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā–  high boost to any1 that is competing to be one of the first high lvls. And not everyone can have than so its a boost that ppl with money can pay to have.

And attributes add SO MUCH DMG you cant even compare the dmg from lv 1 to lv 100

#115

Thatā€™s the thingā€¦ Everyone CAN haveā€¦ IMC gave freeloaders a choice to have those buffsā€¦ Either pay with cash or silversā€¦ What do u mean not everyone can have? Elaborate pleaseā€¦

Btw, shouldnā€™t u be skilled enough to have at least 350k silvers?

#116

if everyone CAN a casual with no skill and time to play can put $$$ and have everything he wants. And if im not paying i cant have 30% xp tomes that makes a huge difference in leveling speed nor new mounts that give buffs and can be only bought with TP or headgear enchants that ppl doesn not put on market.

The thing is if you dont have skill or time to play you should not have top gear or +bonus xp to level by paying $$$.

#117

Greatā€¦ Read my above postsā€¦ Iā€™m all for P2Pā€¦ That would be the fairest for everyoneā€¦ But itā€™s really too bad tos isnā€™t P2Pā€¦

But seriously, there are rich and poor playersā€¦ There are also good and bad playersā€¦ It is not always rich = goodā€¦ Vice versa, it is not always poor = badā€¦

Strive to be the best player but donā€™t have to put down others because they choose to spendā€¦ It is just the way it isā€¦

Do u think itā€™s possible to make tos into P2P and fair across all boards?

#118

thats exaclty what i would like to have a p2p game with 0 advantages to be bought from cash shop. Only cosmetical ā– ā– ā– ā– . Thats the best way to a game go.

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#119

With buying in the cash shop, no matter what, donā€™t lead to P2W here.

This is just a difference here of people they have Cash and use it and yes, they are faster in Leveling.

If someone needs 3 hours for a Lv. Up, Iā€™ll need 4 hours without exp boost.

MAN, Now I have to spend xxx $ or ā‚¬ to be 1 hour faster? No, I take that chance to make more money in that time.

Mounts with buffs, maybe thereā€™re good, but not needed, I donā€™t have one yet.
Enchants on Headgears, I had some TP, I used it. Now, I need more TP for more Scrolls, but, not that important. Thereā€™re Headgears with Atk + Aoe in the Market. But I can farm, even all day (except the time I have to go to work).

1 more entry for Dungeon maybe? Well, I have to buy the package anyway in order to play that, so Iā€™ll have this Token sooner or later, but I donā€™t need to spend xxx Cash for this Cash Shop.

Here is nothing pay to win, and yes, Iā€™m playing MMOā€™s for ten years too and I know whatā€™s P2W.

Everyone can use Money as they want. Later maybe Iā€™ll buy something too, but I donā€™t need because everything is obtainable with some time effort.

#120

Also F2P Games lives from a Cash Shop, so they need some a little bit nice Items, think about it first or do you want to pay the Staff and the Serverā€™s fee?

Have fun ^^

#121

the +30% xp is a lieā€¦ lol Check it out yourself youā€™ll see that. As for attributesā€¦i donā€™t really see the difference having them lv50ā€¦