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A first baindaid to enhancement system

honestly, they should just get rid of potential system

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Yeah nobody likes potential system

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I love your analogy though.

I shared similar opinion with you

The whole Transcendence system has to Rework,
damage heavily rely on Transcendence, and the root cause of Whales RMT to win (buy silvers, or massive letitia cubes to sell in market, then buy shards), imbalance of PvP/TBL/GvG, character progressing too 1-sided with boring Saalus Grinding and anti content diversity. (there is my friend login but found most guildies just try to rush dailies everyday, and she feel disappointed and quit the game)

I think it is good together to review with Stats Point, CON should not give block and need to change to crit rate liked that only provide more thru Shield/Plate Gears

It makes us feel better and thereā€™s nothing else to do

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Does this counts?

Diamond Anvils were removed from events like 1 or 2 weeks after that :thinking:

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I think IMC does listen to us. However, they have to forward it to Korean developer before making any changes. And that process is indeed very slow and inefficient. Plus they never reply to this kind of topic and like to leave player out without answer.

In term of game contents, I think IMC is indeed listening to us.
But the decision and the progress to making in live is indeed very slow, sometime it takes a year.
The way new 350 gears are grinding, and the random stats are actually ideas picked from old several suggested posts. As well as some classes balance and ideas with it. However, when IMC solved 1 class gameplay, it also create another class problem, and it will never ending.

However, the department that managing event/rewards or Marketing team decide for TP Mall sales strategy are just ignoring us.
Diamond Anvil and lv10 Abrasive Gem are still in letitia cubes anyway.
Their strategy are actually milking on whales instead of let general players buying cosmetics, this is why the game become twisted way of P2W.

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Very hard to satisfy every single player opinion when people just keep on shooting without telling a good reason . Like complaining transcendence when they reward ppl that work hard for it but other ppl seems as abuse it with whale . Example like ppl work hard u call them whale and ppl who are not hard enough try to twist the game , sigh whats wrong these

It doesnā€™t. What makes you think they listen to players only judging the fact that they removed the ā€œfreeā€ ways of getting diamond anvils?

You could still get diamonds from Letitia cubes.

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So what about this?

Means they never listened to community complaining about DPK?

Yeah Diamond Anvils suck in general. I wish they didnā€™t exist. It doesnā€™t necessarily mean that they donā€™t listen to us, it is just a bad decision that hopefully they will come to realize.

Do not bring Vindictus into this conversation, that game is a cash grab for whales only and the only way you could properly enhance in that game was to whale out.

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Technically, this game was free 2 play before the trans system. Then it became pay 2 win.

Itā€™s still pay 2 win right now, and tbh, it would just get more and more pay 2 win as it loses playerbase/whales. The best you could hope for is for it to stay how it is currently.

Just a question:

What do you consider P2WIN in this case?

I always considered P2WIN to be related company <-> players.

Not players <-> RMT. Well, this should be against rules D:

Leticiaā€™s/Goddess Cubes sure adds somewhat p2win things but in forms of Diamond Anvils, some attribute points and Practonium.

Theyā€™re not really directly related to ā€œT10 p2winā€ which is mostly due to RMT/bots. D:

There is no such thing as somewhat or a little pay 2 win. Its either pay 2 win or none at all.

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If weā€™re getting into rigid definitions then Iā€™d call it no pay2win at all since theyā€™re obtainable in game (aside from Diamond Anvils which were requested to be removed from events).

General opinion from this and other communities points that itā€™s related to directly selling gears in cash shops, things that affects the game too much and especially canā€™t be obtained in game nor thru events.

Goddess Blessed Cubes, Letitiaā€™s Cube and TP Shop doesnā€™t rigidly fit that description.

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Why do you love to play around with the words. You literally said it was pay 2 win then turn around and say its not.

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Because you played with my words, so Iā€™m playing back showing what I really thought when writing those.

If you consider something to be like 10-30% P2WIN and 70-90% not P2WIN, funneling that into a binary pick, the higher is simply: not P2WIN.

I was going to debate you but realized whats the point, a majority of the people who agree with me already quit the game so whatever.

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