…there is 500 levels???
No, look.
I was only picking on you for this
It’s not using the RO system was all i was vaguely pointing out to you.
Only if arrogance is considered trolling in this day and age, but today - even a slightly negative remark can be considered trolling ¬_¬.
And you prove again : your hard issues to read. You’re in bad faith because there is only one thing that TOS is not using from RO, and because you didn’t understand what all people were talking about. That’s why you tried to defend a post that was clearly out of topic.
I invite you to make some research on what is a troll.
Have to sleep (SORRY EDDITED)
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I know it was out of topic, that was the point.
I’m not defending it though, since i proved the point. unless you want to quote op saying “tos is using the ragnarok experience system” it’s not, ragnarok doesn’t have exp cards at all, let alone a fluctuating experience graph for higher level ranges. i know you probably want to drag this on for a few more posts, but that was all i really wanted to tell you, which you seem to be ignoring.
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Put a ton of time and effort into doing something you don’t want to do just to avoid doing something that solves the same problem with zero effort? To someone who already has half a dozen high level alts and would have to play the alt several hours a day to keep up with the new player, only to do it all again when another new player joins, “just play an alt” would sound like “just go to hell.”
I already ran into issues in this beta where one member of the group got way ahead of the rest, a couple started late and could only play with our alts, and the rest were on their mains (can’t play the alt at the same time) either struggling to level up or hoarding all exp cards to avoid pulling ahead.
I like the scaling down solution. Elaboration on how it might work:
- Right click on a party member in the party list and select “Scale to this player’s level.”
- Disable all classes and skills taken at higher levels (eg I’m a cryo3 sorcerer alchemist3, I scale down to rank 2 range, now only my cryo circle 1 and wizard skills work, and my ice pike only benefits from the first 5 skill points).
- Multiply all stats by scaling factors. This could either be based on the other player’s stats or recorded from a benchmark character. Maybe the benchmark’s total con+int+spi+dex+str was 100 at the low level and 500 at your level, so your base stats would be divided by 5. Same deal for other stats like magic attack and elemental damage.
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Basically a mentor system can be used, now that I think about it, there were a couple (if not a few) topics about this already - Mentor System for Characters for example.
Though this still depends on whether the devs will want to implement them or not (I am not sure about Koreans) but with work and family, I really don’t have enough time to have multiple alts just so I can play with my friends.
did everyone forgot that pet is shareable? and if you have 1 high level pet on your main character then creating a new one is pretty much very very very easy. 
and for the so much jobs… I believe there is nothing wrong there. it was a gamble… nobody had tried it before and IMC is doing it… right now all MMO are the same they are on a loop… nope… it was not a loop… it’s the end of the line. (did I just said what tony stark says on avengers 2 lol) this people who created ragnarok… the first of it’s kind… and they are doing it again… have some faith people. they will find a way.
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I definitely agree to the topics pointing out this problem. With the fact that ToS is mainly a cooperative/team work game, it is detrimental to have some convenient way to get you to be able to play with your friends who came much later. This would also help ease up the work of guilds having new members that lie on the low levels.
You spent all this time quoting me and making a post, yet failed to answer my question. How will it benefit the high level player?
If you can’t understand why someone would want to play with a friend, you’re beyond any help I could offer.
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So basically no benefit. K thanks for making it clear. Sounds like a non-starter to me.
I already answered that for you, but perhaps I should edit this for clarification as to how a down-scaling system would work.
You continue to gain exp while downscaled, which is added to your total level. As in, while you are playing with your friend, you are still leveling your character. You’d go from 550 to 551 if you leveled with your friend from 1 to 30. That’s just an example.
The catch with a good downscaling system is that careful attention needs to be paid to ensure that it is never better for the high level player to level while downscaled, than leveling normally. I guess I’ll edit the OP to make this even more clear.
Give me an actual good example, that would be completely broken and you know it.
1-50, then? 60? 100? Whatever, man. I don’t know what the exp curve is going to look like at 550, on retail.
Just as long as downsycned leveling is never better than leveling normally, but still good enough to make you feel like playing with your friend isn’t a waste of time, the system works.
Issues of certain areas having terrible mob density are independent problems that need to be solved by evening leveling spots out, so don’t try to pin demon prison’s sins on my idea.
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Total required experience
1-50: 1,718,304
1-60: 2,670,219
1-100: 13,229,936
Now lets take a look at 301-302 which requires: 10,327,104 alone.
I would say the scaling point would have to make sense and be meticulously calculated otherwise it would make no sense for any high level player to do the actual content they should be doing. BUT if you make it not that good people wont do it at all.
How about this, instead of experience think about items. It appears that talt becomes very useful for guilds later on based on the kOBT notes, maybe you offer 1 talt per level to the higher level person whenever the lower level person gains 5 levels. This would convince, provided talt was actually useful, an incentive for guilds to boost lower level people.
Level scaling is not an option as we are not on a percentage based xp here, but rather a flat xp rate. And with builds a plenty impossible to balance. It would be abused massively to grind out “bad” ranks and solo “good ranks” aka classes that give support, etc.
So it can’t be like FF14 because they are heavily balanced by lock in classes and roles.
What they can do is is either a traditional mentor system favored in many Korean games, or revolve it around XP cards.
They can make a special instance “training dungeon” that equalized the damage formula of any class, that gives drop no xp or loot, and is only given rewards at completion.
It’s still quite a bit of programming, and probably far distant future development., but that’s the only way I can see it happening without massive unbalancing the playerbase.
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I sincerely doubt the exp curves as they are now - which, as you have pointed out, scale off into insanity, while monster exp scales insanely in the other direction - well, I really doubt the retail curves are going to look like this. I’m convinced the current exp curves exist to hold players in the level ranges they want tested, and that the retail ones will be very different, particularly in terms of how much exp monsters provide at the upper range.
It is good that you have acknowledged that the system would work if the curves were well calculated - it might be necessary to apply a percentage based penalty in some shape or form. It also might not - it could work right out the door of the monster exp scales are right.
The item idea has pros and cons - if a person has no use for the reward, the system fails them. Alternatively, it incentivizes max level players downscaling and playing with new players, which sounds like a great idea. I like the thought of the item reward activating at whatever is the present level cap, much like the exp cube system from PSO2.
Also there are some classes right now that can provide support while not stealing any EXP, namely peltasta and cleric classes. You can join a party with a low level person, set the EXP gain to individual, and then provide them with buffs and taunt.
This is how it worked in RO, if you wanted to boost lower level players you would pull mobs for them, and let them kill the mob to gain EXP.
Actually any class could do this provided their fist damage wasn’t too strong (granted i dont know how threat works in this game if at all).
Insert Mentor/Apprentice system.
add apprentice system like dragon nest it should help this issue