Tree of Savior Forum

3 Main issues of TOS in YOUR OPINION

  1. Bosses spamming knockdown all around every 2-3 seconds
  2. ADHD bosses that can’t stay in one place for more than 2-3 seconds.
  3. Tree of bugs, tree of balance, tree of full-time dailies, PvFPS, bots spamming my worldchat without a care in the world… Eh, nevermind the minor stuff - it’s still a jolly fun game to play. At times.

But the first two “features”, through which you have to trudge every day - thank you, the tree of dailies! - appear meticulously (certainly with much more care than the rest of ToS) designed to extinguish any resemblance of enjoyment from playing the game.

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Recent events are gross (especially the new one).

Okay, About the multi-crafting feature, It has updated to the KTOS, we will also going to add this on upcoming update as well.

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Anything like this just to give a little change up to the daily monotonous grind of Saalus. It doesn’t have to be easy but fair, like a tier based rewards, 75% boss hp left after 60 seconds, give some silver, 50% something something, 25% another something and when the party kills the boss they get a blessed shard.

IMC is well aware of the existent problems, and with a continued effort in taking feedback can work with the player base to address the major concerns. The Talk Talk, Dev Blogs, and the GM’s have all talked about most of the issues to a point where nothing seems to be ruled out and major aspects of the game are going to be addressed. I have a lot of hope in the vision and corrective course IMC is now taking, and I’d wager the balance problems especially, but other individual problems will also be dealt with, especially if they keep pursuing feedback with the players. So my main concern, and it has been for a long time, is development quality. What I mean by that is both quality in the sense of a bug free, QA’d release, as well as it coming in a timely matter, development speed. That’s what has me so demoralised. Here on ITOS we’re months behind KTOS and JTOS in terms of content, (it’s important to note though that we received the optimisation update first). I don’t even think that KTOS is receiving content fast enough, and I don’t just mean new features, I mean addressing the things that IMC has been talking about fixing. As ITOS we’re even farther behind an already slow development process, and it’s pretty crushing. Unfortunately, it’s the most difficult thing to change, and no amount of player suggestions can help. A bit on the bright side, from what Mr Kim said in the untranslated Talk Talk, and from what GM_Orange said in game, it looks like IMC has more resources than they previously had and a main priority will be content release quality. I hope IMC continues to improve this game, and I hope they continue with their increased effort in communication, it’s a great move and we all appreciate it.

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No, please do not take note of anything from Aeria Games. They are a horrible company!

Can you give me an example?
I would like to know if there is a risk. :smiley:
Oh and about the Cash Shop, Can you tell me more specific about it?
What would it make this better?

Several major companies are well known for exclusively making their games revolve around cash shop spenders, especially those who have been nicknamed “whales.”

Aeria Games is especially notorious for treating the player as nothing more than $$$. Their entire game is built around squeezing money out of players rather than actually improving the game. Exclusive items that require thousands of dollars and are game-breaking as “rewards” for spending say $600.00 (or higher depending on the month and tier). Basic functions, such as upgrading your weapons and armor require cash-shop items. I could go on and on.

They have a very poor reputation among veteran gamers. They also ban users for not being active and “charging” their accounts. Seriously they are a very shady company that is well known for mishandling their games and treating players like garbage.

I thought something like, milage system, which could be found from Credit Card system, could be useful when this could give a small return to Players what they have spent. But you are right, if shop is concentrating Super good item or balance breaking stuffs on exclusively on market this could ruin it too.
We must balance that part then.

I still like the concept to return the benefits to the players. Not being exclusive, but returning beneficial as a small gratitude those who spend money for the game. this going to be hard one.

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Cosmetic weapon skins. Purely visual so no stats on them and you’re obviously able to use normal in game weapons at the same time, no enchantmens.

This is low priority tho so important things first, but if the art department has extra time why not, right? :slight_smile:

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  1. Bad design director, don’t know who design those formula/feature and simply implement them without proper evaluation. They wasted so many development times on fixing those things, after fix and need test those things again and again, but testing server is a good thing and let player do the QA role.
    eg: Agny Necklace and Transcendent are good ideas, but implemented in a bad ways. Some contents as well, like mdef mobs. Same as many classes’ skill, they have good idea behind but implemented in lousy way which rendered them useless or OP like meltis+boss cards+ausrine.
    ^ And this is the root cause of current problem and TOS downfall, when bad designs implemented it take another x3 efforts/times to fix them which caused the game stagnated, delay of new content and loss of players. I suggest they take x3 efforts on the planning and evaluation stage instead to save the developers time, I don’t even mind they open in forum to collect concerns and feedback.

  2. End Game or Sustainable Content is too boring or buggy,

  • TBL and GvG with so many bugs.
  • Earth Tower is too hectic and require too high commitment.
  • Boss fight is too linear and every boss almost the same, it all just min max atk/def. Unlike RO, different boss has different characteristic, element/race and tricky part. Should implement few small size boss that have quick movement and attack like RO’s biolabs boss.
  • Items grinding is too linear, 290Rush + Saalus everyday.
  • Guild Event is mostly obsoleted.
  • No activities for party > 5 or multi-party.
  • Headgear is over rely on TP shops, would better let it on Guild Event or Boss Drop.
  • Character Customization, enchant scroll is bad for customizing, should make enchanted stat transferable to preferred headgear.
  • Boring Items/Gems, should have more items like Ignition/Cafrisun/Toyhammer which able change attack attribute and allow more build variation depend on items.
  1. Optimization, less loading time and faster casting animation especially wizard class. Make the game fast pace a bit. This is a bit long term optimization in the engine, but we can endure and witness the improvement bit by bit, hopefully at least 3months update once.
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Main thing you guys got to work on are optimizations to the engine. Like improving the frame rate and such. You’ve come a long a way in that regard already, keep it up!

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I don’t think there’s anything wrong with freebies, or a sort of sample pack when users buy something. It’s pretty common in South Korea, I kind of miss it now that I’m back in the USA.

  • If a user charges TP, a small sample of useful items could be included like some potions, a few warp items, an enchant scroll, maybe one dungeon reset or something like that.

  • Having an actual discount in the shop that isn’t just 2 hairstyles for girls and a couple for the guys. Or on TP itself.

  • Giving out a free outfit for the anniversary and a fun event would probably boost player morale.

  • A hide and seek event once in a while with one of the GM team, and some silly prize that doesn’t hurt anyone.

These are just a few ideas off of the top of my head. It’s like 1AM.

I’m not criticizing you for reaching out by the way! It’s really nice you’re talking with players.

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I’d highly support TP discount on itself. Since IMC forced all prices to match the same dollar value it gets expensive on other countries, it would be nice to have some discount from time to time if IMC can measure that a reasonable amount of people would actually buy.

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I think its better the shards drop like in20f ET

It would be nice! I’m sure everyone who uses TP would appreciate it, and having things like that once in a while encourages us to actually spend more than we might normally because we are getting a good deal.

I expect to get major bugfixes once in a while, and I know people are getting frustrated waiting on them. We want all the things and we want them NOW. But… that’s not how it works. As long as a decent content patch and major bug fix/adjustment/whatever rolls out every 3-4 months I am happy with a game. I don’t exactly expect that for ToS right now though.

I do expect smaller issues to be addressed in between times and events once in a while. IMC has been good about putting out a steady stream of small events… but I guess there’s a learning curve for finding what works with each game’s player base.

So far we can say:

  1. We like non timed, free stuff.
  2. We like killing things.
  3. We don’t like getting 3 potions after downing 4 bosses that heal you for 500HP.
  4. Everyone likes vanity items. (Seriously I want my pink bow ribbon already!!)
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This so much! I encourage any and all cosmetic monetizing. Beards, weapon skins, cute ribbons and other headgear, skin color, cute pets (like popolion following you but it’s not a mount nor a companion, simply there for your purely vain needs.)
But all these within the theme of ToS so not some weird neon glowing futuristic whatevers that don’t really fit in.

I used to play trickster online and cosmetics were a HUGE part of the game. I swear people wanted to buy those gacha boxes etc. and other gacha systems that provided new cosmetics items very often. Sure the game was heavy p2w too but a huge portion of casual and even hardcores simply bought these items for their looks.
It was completely normal to have your inventory filled with tens of different cosmetic items to swap looks if you felt like it, in game items were very usable on this too and there was this system called fusing where you could add a nicer looking visual to a good equip.

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Yes yes support cosmetic monetizing. Need more cute costumes and headgear.

It will be really good to have some UI toggles to change the stacking of headgear too.

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thumbs up for yuri epic hijacking skill!

we need more yuri!

yuri will make tos great again~

yey~

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Get rid of the exchange shop and make all the items there available to be purchased with TP. God knows I’ll buy a lot of stuff in there especially the stat reset potion.