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Wugushi now OP?

With the new card that increases damage dealt to poisoned enemies by up to 30% (assuming 3 maxed cards of that type), does this mean its the age of Wugushis?

I’d say Good but not OP.

It’s a nice 30% damage buff after all but the same damage can be achieved with glass mole cards too (even if it lasts just for 10 seconds)
Velnia Monkey card is a more sustained source of damage than Glass Mole card, which is more a “burst type” of damage

Fletcher too with Broadhead lvl10 + Prisoner Cutter cards has the same bonus as Wugu + Velnia Monkey.

1 Circle of Wugushi is gold in my opinion, With the hope that IMC will not ninja nerf some cards’ effect

I’m not sure if I understand the “but” in this sentence.

Like you said in your other sentences, the damage is sustained compared to the small uptime of Glass Mole… so why compare it to Glass Mole as if its the same/inferior to something with a potential 100% uptime?

2 reasons:

To reiterate the fact that is good but not OP, that’s why i compared it to Glass Mole card that were seriously OP in the past with their 80% damage burst

Due to the high price on the market.
a Glass mole lvl10 is 5 millions cheaper than a lvl 1 Velnia Monkey in Fedimian

(i should have expained a little better, you’re right :slightly_frowning_face:)

Plague Doctors can also inflict poison, so I guess it’s not only their age.
And you have the same kind of card with Bleeding, and a lot of skills can bleed so I guess it’s not really the “age of Wugushis”. But those cards sure are great for builds who specialize in poisoning/bleeding.

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1 Wugu C1 can maintain poison on a target with 100% uptime. I’m not sure the same can be said for Swordsman and Fletcher (unless it is a Fletcher C2, or the Swordsman is Highlander C2).

Wugu C1 is a pretty cheap investment. Wugu C2 is also reasonable for more AoE damage, and is also attainable earlier than Fletcher C2 (Wugu is accessible at R4, but Fletcher is accessible at R5 and even then for 100% uptime bleed on a target, you would need Fletcher C2)

Sword C2 / Highlander C2 seems like a somewhat steep investment to get a high bleeding uptime, and even then it won’t work for every case. The Sword C2 bleed extension works only on stunned targets, and Crosscut I think is 2 overheats with 28 seconds cooldown. This means that the 2nd hit of Crosscut will place the bleed on the target with 18 seconds of downtime afterwards. The overall uptime is 20/38 (assuming you wait 10 seconds on the first hit before using the 2nd charge of the overheat, and then wait for the skill to be available again 18 seconds after the last bleed ends, so 10+10+18 or 38 total time and 20 seconds of that time is bleed time). 20/38 is just barely over 50% on stun-immune targets. By themselves, a Swordsman can’t keep a bleed up 100%, but going bleed cards with Highlander C2 is probably better in some scenarios than going strictly Glass Mole now.

I don’t know if Barbarian C3 Warcry will extend the Bleed duration of Crosscut, but even if it does, that’s a steeper investment just for 100% uptime of bleed to take full advantage of the bleed card. Going Highlander C2 Barb C3 just for this would “bleed” into R6, making Doppel C3 only obtainable at R9. This is probably not worth doing unless R8 C2 classes are not much stronger than Doppel C3

What all of this means, is, an Archer with Wugu C1/C2 can amplify the damage of an entire party so long as everyone has the %increased damage to Poisoned targets. This also applies for AoE cases if the Archer is Wugu C2/C3 and has maxed Wugong Gu and Throw Gu Pot (and I suppose Jincan Gu too). Someone else also mentioned that a PD can inflict Poison… basically it seems like we’re moving into a Poison/Bleed meta where the BiS red card is not Glass Mole or Chappiriton, but Velnia or bleed card.

Edit: This is all in reference to PvE. I don’t care for PvP whatsoever.

PVP = good / mediocre
PVE = Better than before … easier card combo but not op

I think wugu still the best dot for bossing in the game, even better with boss that not dark property

I rest my case

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Since i can’t reset to Wugu1 i went with Biteregina cards. Perfect for bossing or single target (paired with Qs3) but lack AoE poison spreading that PD and Wugu have

That sucks. Aren’t you missing out on Gazing Golem for the same slot (Purple)?

I guess if they reduce/remove boss knockback then I can see Biteregina cards being used more often… still sucks that you’d have to use those cards over GG ones.